he doesnt say when itll grow so it could grow anytime 🤔
Will
Saturday, Nov 5, 2022 at 12:07 PM
😂
Roger
Tuesday, Aug 2, 2022 at 12:31 PM
LOL 😂
Will
Friday, Jul 15, 2022 at 8:05 AM
If Pinocchio said, “My nose will grow.” What would his nose do?
I believe strongly that water isn’t wet, due to it being wet..
Roger
Thursday, Jun 23, 2022 at 1:44 PM
😆
Will
Thursday, Jun 16, 2022 at 3:49 AM
jk
Will
Thursday, Jun 16, 2022 at 3:49 AM
Is water wet?
Henry
Thursday, Jun 2, 2022 at 8:21 PM
🤷♂️
Will
Saturday, Apr 2, 2022 at 12:21 AM
*@Henry and @Vera
Will
Saturday, Apr 2, 2022 at 12:20 AM
@Henry, the association with drugs and wild living certainly doesn’t help. But all music is fallen, being created by fallen man. I think it’s a 1 Corinthians 8 type issue, if your conscious allows be free, if not don’t listen to those styles.
Renée
Friday, Apr 1, 2022 at 1:23 PM
Use your discernment and follow the leading of the Holy Spirit is the advice I'll give anyone who is on the fence about this 😉
Renée
Friday, Apr 1, 2022 at 1:23 PM
Will, yes, interesting indeed! That that didn't change my mind, tho, bc I guess other factors and the whole outlook I have on things that are going on in this present age make it so that I am not able to listen to that stuff with a clear conscience.
Henry
Thursday, Mar 31, 2022 at 10:33 PM
A thought that came to mind is the association of RRR and drugs that might be a factor of why it sound unholy
Henry
Thursday, Mar 31, 2022 at 10:28 PM
Interesting read! I have to take music appreciation for a GE requirement, and it’s been interesting
Will
Thursday, Mar 31, 2022 at 1:18 PM
Thoughts? I know it’s a lot 😬
Will
Thursday, Mar 31, 2022 at 9:41 AM
I would also argue that CCM (contemporary Christian music) is very different from the world for 3 reasons, 1. The world hates CCM, and this includes CCM that includes RRR (which is not most CCM). The world associates CCM with music that sounds bad and is very unpopular in the world. 2. The Gospel always brings hate from the world, even the mere mention of Jesus’ name is hateful in the eyes of the world. 3. A Christian musician will use Christian record labels (as opposed to a secular record label which would not allow overt religious references in the music) which ensures the music will never reach popular success in the world. As a result of these three reasons, CCM is very unpopular in the world.
Will
Thursday, Mar 31, 2022 at 8:48 AM
(the major and minor scales as well as stacks of thirds to create harmony (triads) evolved from the Catholic Church, they were used in English plain chants and popularized by the Catholic composer Palestrina and others before him. In other words, any genre using major and minor scales (which includes all Western genres of music) are direct descendants of Catholic music
Will
Thursday, Mar 31, 2022 at 2:54 AM
If you really want music that sounds counter-cultural, try listening to atonal music like Arnold Schoenberg’s 6 pieces for piano, or anything by Anton Webern. That’s music that’s really unpopular and nothing like the world at all.
Will
Thursday, Mar 31, 2022 at 2:43 AM
In otherwise, you taste of what sounds holy is actually a very recent development in the history of music, and only a fraction of what has been sung to our God since Adam.
Will
Thursday, Mar 31, 2022 at 2:41 AM
5. Finally, I think it is worth noting that the hymns of today would have been scandalous in churches pre-1490s. Music theorists before that time has been furiously divided over whether to use a 7 in a basic V7 chord which is the building block of all music (including hymns) to this day. It even took a long time for the 12-notes we call the chromatic scale exist, some cultures have even more tones than are traditional 12
Will
Thursday, Mar 31, 2022 at 2:33 AM
4. It is also worth noting that music in the time of Jesus would have sounded nothing like the hymns we have today. This is because the major and minor scales and chords did not even exist until centuries after His death. If study traditional Jewish music, around the time of David and after, records indicate the music was quite gregarious (read 2 Samuel 6:12-23 for David’s dancing)
Will
Thursday, Mar 31, 2022 at 2:24 AM
Reggae originated in Jamaica, and has some origins in the Blues (another African-Americans folk genre).
Will
Thursday, Mar 31, 2022 at 2:18 AM
Rap is basically poetry spoken in monotone often with a rhythmic and/or musical background - the origins are probably from African chants, though similar things exist in every culture.
Will
Thursday, Mar 31, 2022 at 2:12 AM
Rock is a direct descendant of Jazz which is subsequently a descendant of Blues, Ragtime, and African-American Spirituals. Ragtime is partially a descendant of European Classical Music and African tribal music, while the Spiritual are more direct descendant from African tribal music. African tribal music is the primary source of rhythm and drums we see in todays music.
Will
Thursday, Mar 31, 2022 at 2:05 AM
3. The argument has also been made that RRR sounds unholy. I think they are perceived this way because of a failure to understand where they came from
Will
Thursday, Mar 31, 2022 at 2:00 AM
Essentially, folk tunes were the equivalent to RRR today, and Protestants used these tunes to differentiate themselves from the antiquated sounding chants used in the Catholic Church.
Will
Thursday, Mar 31, 2022 at 1:58 AM
2. Many hymns are based on folk tunes that would have been popular at the time they were written. Thus, hymns would have sounded similar to the popular music of the time. Nowadays, RRR is more popular which gives hymns a more antiquated sound that can be associated with sounding “holier” or different from our current world.
Will
Thursday, Mar 31, 2022 at 1:54 AM
1. Contemporary Christian music is not based in rock music (at least most of the popular stuff isn’t), it is based in country music. That’s why some Contemporary Christian musicians started in Nashville, which is the cultural center for country music. The two genres also share nearly identical instrumentation, chord structures, and vocal style
Will
Thursday, Mar 31, 2022 at 1:48 AM
I was reading your arguments about RRR, and since I’m a musician and have studied music history extensively I thought I’d offer a few extra thoughts.
Roger
Sunday, Oct 17, 2021 at 1:41 PM
(Btw, I'm able to leave this group even tho I'm admin, bc on a PC, you can go in and un-admin yourself so that you can leave. 😏 It's not possible to do it on a phone)
Roger
Sunday, Oct 17, 2021 at 1:39 PM
Due to the inactivity of this group, I'm probably gonna exit left stage 😂 Besides, I don't know if there will ever be another overflow debate, since the main debate group hardly has any debates on it anyway 😅 Any of you can feel free to leave if you'd like.
Roger
Tuesday, Aug 31, 2021 at 3:12 PM
"Therefore, as God's chosen people, holy and dearly loved..." (Col. 3:1) Notice how it says DEARLY loved, and this is about God's chosen ppl.
Roger
Tuesday, Aug 31, 2021 at 3:11 PM
This one especially explains it: "How great is the love the Father has lavished on us, that we should be called children of God! And that is what we are! The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know him." (1 Jn. 3:1)
Roger
Tuesday, Aug 31, 2021 at 3:09 PM
Here are some verses that show how God loves His children in a special way. "Because you are precious in my eyes, and honored, and I love you, I give men in return for you, peoples in exchange for your life." (Is. 43:4) “For you are a people holy to the Lord your God. The Lord your God has chosen you to be a people for his TREASURED possession, out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth." (Deut 7:6)
Alice
Friday, Aug 27, 2021 at 9:19 PM
Do you have any verses to show that He loves people differently?
Alice
Friday, Aug 27, 2021 at 9:18 PM
What about like with the Egyptians and Israelites? Would you say that God loved them both the same, since He was willing to give grace to both? But it was because the Israelites believed and obeyed Him that His relationship was different with them and He favored them? Or no?
Yeah, I’m with Roger and Vera on this one. Everyone is special and God has a special love for each I individual person. It’s not like He loves certain people MORE just…. different
Renée
Sunday, Aug 22, 2021 at 9:01 PM
... Roger, I was thinking the SAME thing about the cookie-cutter love 😂 And I agree with you
Roger
Sunday, Aug 22, 2021 at 8:59 PM
Well, just bc God is the same yesterday, today, and forever, doesn't necessarily mean that His love for each individual is the same exact kind of love. I mean, it's just not the way God is to just have this "cookie-cutter" love for every single person. Just like a parent loves all their children dearly, but they have a special/individual love for each one. I believe it's the same way with God and His children, too. His love for each person is unique.
Alice
Sunday, Aug 22, 2021 at 6:07 PM
I'm back. Szia, szia, szia!! Lol Yeah Roger, since we proved that God IS love itself we can go to the verse that says "I am the same yesterday today and forever". If God is the same yesterday, today, and forever; and God is love, then His love is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Why do you think He has a special kind of love?
Roger
Friday, Aug 13, 2021 at 8:54 PM
I kinda agree with Vera. Of course, God loves everyone, saved or unsaved. But there's that special kind of love that He has for His children. Now, in terms of His love among individual believers, I think that the more one draws closer to the Lord and loves him more, they will feel His love to a greater degree. Maybe not that God loves them more if they love HIM more... that's probably not the case. But, I think they will definitely FEEL and experience His love more, as they draw closer to Him. That may explain why John was called (or referred to himself as) the disciple Jesus loved.
Renée
Friday, Aug 13, 2021 at 10:51 AM
Ok, Alice, see ya, then! Bye! Szia, szia, szia! (As the Hungarians said, even tho it means 'hello, hello, hello' 😆.)
Renée
Friday, Aug 13, 2021 at 10:46 AM
That is a pretty good guess, and it could be true, however, and my family and I had this whole discussion a few weeks ago, why was John called "the disciple Jesus loved"? (Interesting fact, John wrote a lot about love.) He was the one who laid his head on the bosom of Jesus.
Sethers
Friday, Aug 13, 2021 at 8:55 AM
I agree with Alice
Alice
Friday, Aug 13, 2021 at 6:13 AM
I will be back in 10 days, after vacation
Alice
Friday, Aug 13, 2021 at 12:13 AM
Same here, I can't wait to hear your opinions!
Alice
Friday, Aug 13, 2021 at 12:12 AM
Originally I agreed with you Vera, but at the beginning we proved that God IS love. There is this verse, "He is the same, yesterday, today, and forever". And if God is love then His love is the same yesterday today and forever.
I think that God loves everyone the same but His relationship is different. It's like with parents, they have loved their kids since before they were born. I mean God created very single human. He loves ever single person. But He has this pride and deep relationship with those that come to Him and want to grow in Him.
Renée
Friday, Aug 13, 2021 at 12:04 AM
This is a very interesting topic, and I am open to other opinions on this. 😊 As for verses to back up my theory, I'll probably delve more into that tomorrow, cause I need to go to sleep now 😴
Renée
Friday, Aug 13, 2021 at 12:01 AM
I actually don't agree that God loves everyone exactly the same. I believe, though I could be wrong, that He has a special love for His children in general (of course, He still greatly loves sinners), and even for His children, each one is loved with a special love only for him.
Alice
Thursday, Aug 12, 2021 at 11:44 PM
(Although I do agree with you just saying lol)
Alice
Thursday, Aug 12, 2021 at 11:44 PM
What evidence?
Alice
Thursday, Aug 12, 2021 at 11:44 PM
And why would you say that?
God loves everyone the same.
Alice
Thursday, Aug 12, 2021 at 11:29 PM
So we have proven that God loves and is love. Okay so now to the question. Do you believe that God loves everyone to the same degree. Christians and non Christians? ( I will give my thoughts after)
Alice
Thursday, Aug 12, 2021 at 11:27 PM
Thank you!
Renée
Thursday, Aug 12, 2021 at 10:57 PM
And, welcome, Alice!
Renée
Thursday, Aug 12, 2021 at 10:57 PM
Absolutely! "God is love." 1 Jn 4:16a 😄
Sethers
Thursday, Aug 12, 2021 at 10:56 PM
Yes
Alice
Thursday, Aug 12, 2021 at 9:24 PM
So the biblical definition of love is, "Love is patient, love is kind, love does not envy or boast..." God demonstrates all of these characteristics. Since God is perfect, He demonstrates all of these characteristics perfectly. Meaning that God demonstrates love perfectly. Thus we could say that God is love. Do you agree?
Roger
Thursday, Aug 12, 2021 at 9:12 PM
Sure, Alice! 😁 Yes, God does demonstrate His love. "But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: while we were still sinners, Christ died for us." (Romans 5:8) 😉
Alice
Thursday, Aug 12, 2021 at 8:29 PM
Can we agree that God demonstrates love?
Alice
Thursday, Aug 12, 2021 at 8:28 PM
Hey guys, I am working on gathering thoughts on a topic in order to write an essay. So I would like to start a small debate 😁
Roger
Monday, Jun 28, 2021 at 2:55 PM
Hey 😂 It's normal for this group to be inactive for long periods of time, bc it's not everyday that we have an extra debate going on. 😅 Ya know? This is just a backup/overflow group.
Roger
Wednesday, Jun 23, 2021 at 9:48 PM
Uh, huh...
Roger
Wednesday, Jun 23, 2021 at 9:10 PM
xD
Yes. We r forcing you to watch it 🗡
Roger
Wednesday, Jun 23, 2021 at 8:52 PM
Hmm... is it a city ordinance or something? 🤣
Roger
Wednesday, Jun 23, 2021 at 7:31 PM
No, why? 😅
Have u watched it yet Roger?
Roger
Tuesday, Jun 22, 2021 at 9:00 PM
Oh, hi, BM. As Sethers was saying, it's really not super hard 😂
Sethers
Friday, Jun 11, 2021 at 4:47 PM
Yeah, it’s not super hard
Henry
Friday, Jun 11, 2021 at 1:47 PM
Oh I just use the app on an android to cast to my tv or steam link to cast from my computer
Yah but it works if you have a tv. It works with Rome and fire stick too. Do you have anything hooked up to your tv?
Henry
Friday, Jun 11, 2021 at 12:08 PM
Don’t you need appletv to airplay?
Renée
Friday, Jun 11, 2021 at 11:23 AM
Neat! 😀
... you can airplay it onto a bigger screen like your tv. It’s insanely easy.
Henry
Friday, Jun 11, 2021 at 2:12 AM
Yeah, though I find it more enjoyable on a bigger screen
Sethers
Friday, Jun 11, 2021 at 12:26 AM
I have the Chosen app and it’s really good, that’s the best way to go is to get the app
Sethers
Friday, Jun 11, 2021 at 12:26 AM
I love it so much😍it’s made the Bible come alive for me
Sethers
Friday, Jun 11, 2021 at 12:26 AM
Exactly Micah
It is. I LOVE how it shows Jesus as fully human, his having a sense of humor, and Him having empathy towards others. 👍
Roger
Thursday, Jun 10, 2021 at 3:44 PM
Hmm...sounds interesting! 😀
Henry
Thursday, Jun 10, 2021 at 1:34 PM
Its also free to watch on vidangel or youtube. 😃
Henry
Thursday, Jun 10, 2021 at 1:34 PM
@Vera interesting! 😂 @ Roger It’s based on the Gospels, but unlike all the other movie depictions, it’s a tv series and also shows Jesus’s human side.
Roger
Thursday, Jun 10, 2021 at 1:17 PM
What's it about?