oh cool that’s my grandpa’s name (he’s Danish)
It’s Johannes (german for John)
@JOh4nn3$ what's your real name?
oooooh good point man ya gotta stay 6 ft away dude lol
no prob, we’ll get along without the guy 😂
has he presumed to commit the crime of distancing himself from our fellowship?
good lol. You? are we the only ones here...even Crimson Dawn hath abandoned us
YESSSS!!!!! I'm still here y'all
I'm leaving this group cuz its inactive
ohhh. so he makes us think we're good and ALSO makes us feel guilty... interesting
the devil’s a hypocrite, making us believe we are good so he can accuse us before God and make us look guilty in his sight!
I think satans plan, since the beginning, is to destroy Gods creation and dominion using the free will God have us by making us think we don’t need God ...Making us believe we ARE good leads to our destruction and I think that’s what he wants!
but I do have scripture to back up my point, just was to lazy to look up the verses I was referring to but I found them now ...Revelations 12:10 for instance should back up my point of satan being the accuser
haha no sounds plausible, you have a point there
*claps* good job Blondie 🙄
wow I just contradicted myself
hm. interesting. But wouldn't you say that the devil is actually trying to make us believe we ARE good? bc then we won't repent, and then we'll perish, and that's what Satan wants. But anyways I don't have any scripture to back me up on this 😬 (but then again you didn't really either 😏 well you did but it doesn't say the devil makes us feel guilty 😂). Anyways, I just know that pride is usually the reason people fall away. Although I definitely agree we have no need to feel guilty when we know what Jesus did for us
And here’s where Jesus comes in! He steps up and says “wait a minute, I already took his punishment and bore his sin on the cross!” And so God drops all charges against us! Take it like a hearing in court 💁♂️
God sets up the standards. So sinning is technically not only going against god, but actually it is everything we do that doesn’t agree with gods standards. So basically sinning could be defined more as ‘missing the target’. Now God is the one who defines righteousness and sets the standards, satan is the one who tries to make us miss those standards, and we are the ones who have to actively chose which way we go! With God’s help we can make the right decision and resist every temptation! The Bible says somewhere that we will never be tempted above our ability to withstand (with God’s help). But since we have a sinful nature we tend to let the devil have the victory at times. So we are blamed by God for missing his target again, and that is exactly what satan wants because he is trying to destroy us! So in a sense, it’s satan who is accusing us.
(I got him stumped this time)
LOLLLLL 😂😂😂😂 gooood one Mr Philosopher. So, question, since our guilt is what brings us to God, who caused the guilt? us, Satan, God, other? 😏😏😏
but seriously that’s satans big tactic, trying to make people feel guilty and sinful even though Jesus payed for our sin! so we gotta watch out...
well, consider deleting MY match making group was a sin, remember that Jesus took all your sins away on the cross! ...so technically...you would be blameless! ...now the fact that you are pushing all the blame on your MOM ...well wait, what blame? we just decided you were blameless! And in that case you’re making yourself guilty of falsely blaming someone! but she did do it (hope you’re not lying to cover up) so in a sense both of you are to be blamed, but no one is! makes sense? ...I’m a Philosopheeeeeeeeer 😁 -Best Regards, Johnistoteles-
does that make me "blameless" ? oof now there's a deep topic
also I forgot to tell you. Remember that match making group? my mom was the one who deleted it, not me. you can NEVER blame me! whaaaa
I was like reading older comments and wow you're right 😂 we should talk about eternal security again
yeah blondie it IS my group and it used to have a purpose...looks like a chat group now 😂
wow this group is still active??!!
yea what should we debate about. Whether English is a dead language or not??! 😀😀😀😀😀😀
we could debate like before
people talk on here still?
Bravo! Marvelous Ye Olde English, Blondieo!
hi again Skyler. whoops Crim as u can tell I'm a horrible interpreter... I shalt not be an interpreter wence I groweth up
That's actually not what I was talking about when I said "If she's gay....never mind😅", but that works too!😂
😂😂and 😭😭 I mean yea that makes no sense !! Like ... why would she like you 😅 but like yea that's sad
Then I thought, "If she's gay....never mind😅"
One time, I was staying with my cousins, and one of them was texting his friend. For whatever reason, he wanted me to start talking to her, and we started talking about the same thing (we were talking about quirks we have, and I said I already have my kids' names picked out), and she's picked out some strange names for her kids. Then she sent a picture of herself, and I thought: She's a little weird. Then my oldest cousin says, "A LITTLE weird?!?! She's gay!!!!" Me: 😳😭
Truth, but I wouldn't mind the girls outnumbering the boys! (just since I have 1 sister and four brothers but hey I'd take whatever God gives me I guess)
Not like I can actually choose what they are😂
hey! 😠 what's wrong with havin' more girls than boys?!!! 😆
Would that be a male or female name? Well, I have two girl names and one boy name, so I guess I should make it a boy to make it even.
awe snickers! well if you ever have an extra kid that you don't know what to name, Somehows the way to go
Somehow is cool. Too bad I've already picked out possible names for my future kids.
ugh but Somehow is the coolest name on earth! you MUST agree
I don't think I have a neighbor named Somehow. But I don't think somehow is a blonde Bulgarian.😂
and is your neighbor... somehow... ? Yup!
A blonde Bulgarian that lives in North Dakota?🤔
I.. could be a blond Bulgarian? 😂
Besides, I've only known one person named Lydia, and she was Bulgarian.
You said you live in North Dakota. I live towards the East Coast...
hmm true.... I could be your friendly neighbor down the street and you just don't know it
Yeah, I would say we're a little crazy...a lot....ya know.....talking to a person I've never met before.......
dude we've been talking since like April 😂
irk... I best not be thought of as crazy
Then she would think you're even crazier!😅
this is true this is true. My grandma doesn't even know what Scripture Typer is so I think we're safe
You just can't tell anyone in the chat rooms. I still wouldn't recommend telling your grandma though. She'll think you're insane!😂
(yep, clearly 😂) uh, ok wow. So I join that long name right now and get all info forever unless I share the info? I can't even tell my grandma, correct? Ok I'm in!
Ok, this is top secret information. This is not to be shared with a single person in these chats. We at USGHAHQ have had a discussion and we decided to invite you to become one of us. The group is temporarily off private. The name is The Original, the Official, the Only Club that Matters. If you give out any group information (group name, what USGHAHQ stands for, information inside the group, etc.), you will be kicked of of USGHAHQ. Welcome to the group!
Sorry, stayed two nights with my grandparents and cousins and didn't respond. This is clearly an owl, right?🦄
oh sure I guess. 😂🐱or that? nooo
🐦This is obviously close enough!😂
awe snickers! I DONT EITHER THATS CRAAAZY
Yep! I'm a night owl! (just realized that I don't have an owl emoji😅)
oh. that makes a lot more sense! that's why your posts are always at night 😂
I usually only remember to check it when I'm in bed! I'm pretty busy in the daytime😅
yup. and never stop. I don't know how you remember to check it every day 😂
I downloaded the app in October 2018. It didn't take me long to start posting
hm really? I get it mixed up. When did you get Scripture Typer? (you're casually active)
I haven't even been here for a year!
*gasps* truuuuue. Welcome to the club (I know I know you've been here for a long time yeah yeah )
Same! And you've been here longer than I have!
this is bringing back so many memories
woe peeps you too are alive!!! where have you been all this time???
What's goin' on, my friend?
I feel like an old person when I walk into a store and have to buy denture tablets for my retainers!😂
ugh I know! but once you only have to wear them at night it will get better
Just got my braces off today! I hate my retainers more though😞
Lol. Same. But even if VBS is all you did it's still crazy cool
Trust me, I don't live an exciting life! It's just that I can make it sound cool on the Internet.
Lol don't apologize! I like hearing about ppl getting beat up by little kids 😂 (actually it's nice to hear because I've gone on VBS trips to Indian Reservations and oof... I can totally relate). Anyways, I haven't been doing pretty much anything since the 4th 😆 (besides cleaning up after it lol)
I'm technically not a leader. They call me a "helper" The leader is the teacher, while I'm just the one that tries to keep seven kids that don't know how to shut their mouths or keep their hands to themselves or sit still. Then after I tell them to stop whatever it is their doing for the 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000th time, they tape me to the wall and kick me and punch me and set me on fire!😅 Once again, I'm sorry I keep going on. It was a traumatizing week that won't happen again for approximately 365 days. So, enough about me. How've you been lately?
oh goodness 😂 "kids. are. stressful" lol they sound just like me! But you sound like a great leader so they probably wont mess with you! (actually nvm they will xD).
Happy Fourth of July to you too! I've been doing absolutely nothing!😅 Last week was vacation Bible school (VBS) at our church and I was helping in the four and five year old class. Kids. Are. Stressful. One of them started talking about an air mattress in the middle of the lesson! 👏🏻 Focus, child, focus! Then she hugged one of the boys and told her she loved him. I don't think so! What you do after class is none of my business, but whatever you do in this class is! I'll make it my business! Then she told me that I'm not the boss. Are ya sure? Because last time I checked, I am! Sorry about all that! It was a rough week!😅 Did you do anything special for Independence Day?
lol. well I guess so since i haven't been active on here 😂. Sold a TON of ice cream for the 4th! happy Independence day btw. what u up to?
Shes not the sharpest tool in the shed, if ya know what I mean! You been doing anything interesting lately?
whaaaat? not even I would do that!
Yep! She also ate a whole box of Fiber One bars to once. Her parents confirmed it.
agh! that's one way to find out! 😂 true story? you sure?
You are a blonde!😜I can laugh too because I'm not blonde! I know a girl that's blonde and she wanted to know if her curling iron was hot......so she licked it!!! It was hot!
Hahahaha IKr ?? those silly blondes! wait...
Actually, a Blondie wouldn't even think of making two accounts to trick everyone. The only person a Blondie can trick is herself!😆
no she can't, and that proves me point! 😜
But if John was Blondie's second account, then it would make sense, but can a Blondie understand that?😂
well if I was John then Blondie would be gone
What do you mean by that?
true! except where would blondie be ?
Obviously! Maybe because he has a fake account.....you could be John for all I know👀
hehehe he's scared of us!
He was on a few months ago, but that didn't last long. He's been hiding ever since😜
cuz I realized this is his group
I wonder if John even remembers what Scripture Typer is... lol
I knew you were reds fan but I didn't know your real name was Isaac. I thought it was reds fan! (jk) cuz ya know everyone names their kid reds fan
Just to be clear, I am reds fan and my actual name is Isaac.
And your name is.........🤔
If I remember correctly, you're getting ready to start your senior year, right?
High school. You really overestimate me, don't you?😂
I took an online English class which was super easy but I still only got 90 😆
wait... sophomore in HIGHSCHOOL or COLLEGE? you seem like a college kid. compliment of course. And great job on your exams!
Sorry, forgot to post. The lowest score I got was a 90 in science, and the highest was a tie in literature, Bible content exam, and Bible memory verse exam. All of those were 100. I am now a sophomore! Do you have any ideas on what to talk about?
oh cool! how did those go??
My brain is kinda functioning now. I might think of a topic tomorrow after final exams.
lol ok well u dont have to respond right away
I'm too tired to think right now. It's 2:37 A.M. where I live, so my brain ain't working very well.
any other topics? just cuz I don't think we need to debate whether or not God used a machine to feed the Isrealites 😅
So true. The one I watched was pretty obvious if you couldn't tell.😂
I think this one was trustworthy but ya never know
It could be. Don't always believe documentaries though. I watched one that said God used a manna machine to feed the Israelites in the wilderness!😆
that's what I've always thought and then I watched a documentary thing that thinks it was cause the only true sacrifice had to shed blood? so idk which is correct 😆
Giving his best lamb meant he was willing to sacrifice.
Because Abel gave his best lamb and because his heart was right with God.
welllll we can MAKE it meaningful. hmmmm. why do you think God accepted Abels offering over Cain's. random Bible question 😆
May the 5th be with you wait huh what ohhh I'm late sorry 😂
In case you haven't noticed, this group ain't exactly meaningful anymore. Happy Star Wars Day!
I probably won't cuz I need to limit my groups to "meaningful chats" sawy
No, I'm just on other groups! Wolves of night is pretty active!
ame . but hey, I'm more active than Dawny boy now
We're just trying to stay active. #thestrugglesarereal
what on earth are you guys talking about
so much for tries to explain
ugh you’re three funny for me to! 😂
ugh you're too funny for me! 😂
??? wait, since when does blondie hafta LET someone have me?😅 ...like was I already taken? 😂😂😂
ah lol. well, I'll let her have u anyway 😂. and sure just pretending yah I fell for it🙄
no Blondie we didn't start the eternal security topic again...we were just pretending 😂😂 ...lol no she's not my girlfriend but lets say my friendgirl 😂😂
lol y'all r hilarious. of course he has a girlfriend 😁. jk. so u guys started the eternal security topic again?
It's been another normal year. Do you have a girlfriend, by any chance?😂
no jk I had a great start into the year and did a lot with friends and fam and I made friends with this girl so we did a lot together, and now I’m finally getting back to daily routine and school... and what about u? 😅
So, what's been up with you? (don't say the sky or the ceiling)
Just so you know, I'm not SDA either. I think they're wrong on a lot of stuff.
well I actually made it before u were on, but still true 😂😂 ...not trying to convince u actually just saying what I think is plausible and what the Bible says about it...it’s pretty clear to me, but I don’t want others to think like me just bc i say so 😂
I thought you made this group to convince me AND Blondie.
lol I originally made this group bc I wanted to talk to blondie about losing salvation, but this group turned into a group for discussing all kinds of things (which is good) 😅
oh so now I have to try to convince someone else of the truth?? (😂😂)
Blondie is rarely on anymore. You just happened to be on when she posted.
lol sure I’ll join...my 52nd group then 😂 ...where’s blondie??
we can do wrong and still be saved, yes we can even think we have abandoned god, but god looks for his lost sheep and brings them back in IF we are his sheep!
You're also invited to Tuned In, my Christian music trivia group that is now almost dead.
I think you pretty much said that we can abandon God and still be saved.
if we had the choice we would turn back, but it’s gods work in us that keeps us ‘alive’
from ourselves we would never seek god, it’s gods grace to us that even got us to seeking him and if we could chose for ourselves we would all turn away from god! that would mean that gods grace would have stoped, that we get our will, that god is not almighty, and it would mean that the Catholics are right by saying good works get you to heaven, namely the work of staying with god and not turning back! Think about that bro 😂😂
...let’s not start that topic again 😂😂
Only if you turn away from God.
...the guy who thinks he can loose his salvation 😂😂😂
oh hey I was tryna remember who u were ...of course now I remember 😂😂
Hello, John. I'm reds fan. Remember me?
My favorite is Dryden Vos. I don't know why but him and Beckett are just so cool. Qi'ra is really cool too.
course you're the only one who keeps this group going. and honestly (this is gonna sound like I'm a Sith) but the girl who betrays solo is the best! shes so cool!!!
It's my favorite modern-day Star Wars! So many plot twists! Who's your favorite character(s)?
lol. and YES!! I loved that movie even tho it was way off from the series it was an awesome plot
But nice to meet you too!😂
Yes. Have you watched Solo: A Star Wars Story?
you must be active to respond so fast! I dont think I've met u, crimson dawn. nice ta meet ya!
I'm active, but no one here is.
You're also invited to Tuned In, a Christian music trivia group.
Hello again. Long time no see.
yeah there ya go. if hes really your brother 😏
Just use his account to add them.
I thought you were admin. Or was that Skyler?
and could you please add Luke 5, 6, 7, and 8.
you can delete it you know
If you do join, make sure you join the new one. The old one had technical difficulties, so we left it.
ooh interesting. I do like music. I'll think about it
SB, and anyone else interested, please join my group, Tuned In if you like music. It's a music trivia group, but if you decide to join, join the new one. The old one had technical difficulties.
I'm still back at 9345, but I didn't download the app until two or three months ago.
get it right. she's not married
lol john its MISS Anything not mrs anything
I think I'm at 3436 or something. skyler u were in Texas a little too late. I was on Texas a few weeks ago
I got the pro version and it's awesome. Where is everyone on the points leaderboard?
I was gone because I couldn't find a charger for a while and the ad was out of battery, I will be gone for Texas for 8 days starting tomorrow though
I’ll make u admin jesuscrew1 so u can add verses
who is Mrs. Anything blondie?
good job Jesus crew 1. and hi Skyler and lol John
sorry if I haven’t talked in a while. I’ve been doing more verses lately.
lol blondie...thx for tellin me, I wouldn’t have noticed 😂
also john I would say it depends on ur maturity... which I'll admit I dont have much of
interesting discussion! I agree that no one knows when Angel's were created.
I will be gone for a couple day
well obviously skyler is...😅
You're a little kid at 24?
cool Blondie 😅...what age do I have 2 be to count as a little kid?
sorry...I’m busy till at least Sunday....Christmas program went well tho! ...gonna be singing (I’m playing my trumpet bc I can’t sing) in an old folks home tdy
oh, you and me were on at the same time reds fan
so how long were there no Angels and God was alone in the universes? forever?
Same here. The answer is: no human knows how long God lived alone because he has always existed. There is no measurable time for God.
but God created the Angels, and so how long was God alone? God would never want to be a lone and he was living forever before the angels were created and forever after he will live, how long did he live without Angels? just been thinking about that a lot
Satan was an angel. We don't know when angels were created. God has been around forever, meaning He has no beginning.
well, it is probably when envy got in saten's heart.
when were the Angels created?
and oooooh John that sounds like fun! I'm helping with a Christmas play too. for little kids 😊
sounds like a plan Jesus crew 1! since idk much about that story, I'll let u start. although I do have a question about it. Jason Benham (at the Bible Bee) asked a really good question. "what was the first sin?" it was kinda a trick question cuz lots of ppl said "when Adam and Eve ate the fruit" but the answer (according to Mr. Benham) was when Satan rebelled. so.... my question is, was that actually the first SIN, and is it even possible for angles to sin (of course Satan is evil) but I'm wondering if "sin" is specifically the evil that MAN does. ????
we said that at the exact same time!
Perhaps we wait till John gets back?
sure jesuscrew...can’t be on tho as much till Thursday bc I’m involved in a Christmas program & have practice every day
I think it is in Revelation 15
could we talk about the start of the universe. not the beginning of earth, but of the rebellion of saten. we can find the story in Revelation.
Yeah, I really like that song. That one part kinda goes with what we were talking about. "If we could put down our signs and cross over the lines and love like you did." If we would just quit arguing and live for Jesus we would do more good.
Hey, if you haven't before, you should listen to "Jesus, Friend of Sinners".
yeah. why not use the time to tell others about Jesus
I would agree that we (the church) spend more time arguing than doing, but there are some issues that seem so clear to me that I don't even know why people argue over it.
the thing is we spent so much time(at least in the seventh day Adventist church) debating about ordaining that we could have used the time so much more wisely, eventually we said they shouldn't be, although id o still believe differently
I think we would have more woman missionary's if they were ordained
..& thx for not holding a grudge...I started to be afraid...
haha lol blondie 😂 ...there was no first joke...I was explaining that some things r still good but useless, like a coin u drop down the drain ...get it?? well, prob not 😂
I agree with reds fan & Blondie btw...sorry, don’t have the time 2 add my thoughts bc I have a big project going on ...
Just not ordained ministers.
The women can be missionaries too.
yes, but why not ordained women, I think ordaining women would definitely make more missionary's
Completely didn't understand the third post. I didn't say women do nothing, I just said they do different things. You don't have to be ordained to serve God.
I think women can do more though if they are ordained, there are people I know about who say they are becoming a nurse or something but say if they were man they would definitely go into ministry but they are not because they might not even get money from the mission house
I get what you are saying but it seems a little strange that you think God would make women to do nothing
lol John. I didn't get ur first joke but haha anyways! also u said and I quote, "I agree with Blondie about Heb 8:13, it's just that I think the law is not completely useless" implying that I think it is! lols tho I won't hold a grudge 😏 glad we all agree
exactly. just because we women don't necessarily lead doesn't make us less important. it's just not our job. just like having babies is not you men's job 😊
Both serve God, but in different ways.
Not at all. I'm saying that men have gifts to serve God, but women have different gifts. Women have different callings than men.
so men have gifts to serve God and woman to serve man is what you think?🤔
God made us all equal, he just gave different gifts to everyone.
just see it that God would be fairer than to make someone have less chance in life to glorify him when they did nothing wrong😀
I don't really believe that way, I guess I can't change your mind that God would make certain people worse when they did nothing wrong just because of who they are when they are born, I you can't really convince me that they are less important
& who said u think it’s useless? ...there’s a very helpful tool called ‘reading’ that u might want 2 use on the last comments 😄😁
lol blondie...my size 2 boots r also still good, but useless 😅
me2 btw...god made the woman as a helper for the man, and he is the head of the house, so I think the same applies to the church
I didn't say all men should be ordained, I just said that women shouldn't be. Anyone can witness to other people, like Blondie said. I actually agree wholeheartedly with Blondie.
and haha John! no thNks 😂. also I DO NOT think the law is useless. if you'd have READ what I wrote i said, "the law is still good" 😂
that verse is talking about evangelism, not shepherding the church of God. and you're right, he doesn't want half the world to be leaders, he wants LESS than half😂! cuz if ya think about it, you need more people BEING lead than leading
I don't think he would not want half the people j. the world to not show his word and not to tell others about him, the bible says to go he forth into the world and to preach to all people. it does not say only half the world is allowed to do it
God does not value us any differently, but God has created men and women for different things. God gives some people gifts that he doesn't give to others.
yam, so peacefully argued it is fun, anyway I think they should be ordained because God does not judge someone just because they are a different gender, he wouldn't just make certain people less valuable then others when they did nothing wrong, but I think they are totally capable(sometimes more capable) then men
We're not here to argue, but to but peacefully discuss things that are important in our spiritual lives.
We've been this way before. I don't believe in women being ordained, but they can certainly teach other women. Basically, no women preachers, but things like Sunday school is ok.
well this group is kinda for arguing, so let's get to it, what do you think about woman ordination
And, John, I think I agree with you on this one.
That's why you're the hacker and she's not. I don't know, Skyler. What do you want to "argue" about?
I think we all agree on the commandments, what else can we argue about
what u want to get my name for blondie? wanna also get my number? 😅
just so not to confuse anyone btw, I agree with blondie about Hebrews 8:13, it’s just that I think the law is not completely useless
the old covenant and especially the law of Moses still have relevance today... although we r not under the law anymore, it helps us get a feeling for what’s right and wrong, and to see how great our sin is and how much we need Jesus. How should we know gods standards and exactly what is actually expected of us without the law? (there’s a verse about that btw but I forgot where). & @skyler, Romans 6 deals with that so pls read it. As I’ve explained multiple times before (to blondie & because it was necessary multiple times😆) we r not saved by works, but saved to do works. A genuine Christian will not even have the DESIRE to sin (of course he is still tempted by satan and falls sometimes) but he is convicted of his sin and won’t want to do it again
and thanks guys! yep I'm excited! lol JOHN I just can't get your name can I?
very true. also Hebrews 8:13 says the old covenant is obsolete. tho the Law is still good, we're no longer under the law
If we're talking about all of Jesus' commandments collectively, there are a lot more than eleven.
I think we still need to keep all eleven commandments because God only added the new thing, to love one another, he did not cancel the rest, God died for us but that doesn't mean we can be mean and still go to heaven, we have to do our part there, otherwise we could be mean and kill and steal without any consequences, why would we need to go to jail and things when there is no consiquence, we could all kill ourselves so we would get their sooner
let’s talk about the new covenant...and the old one of which the sabbath was the symbol
Stop, man. You're making me hungry.☹️
yam, it is where there is chocolate on Avery table and little pastry things for appetizers, then the food😉, it is like amazing, there are cranberry cake things, pie, tater tots, and much more
On a Sunday? Oh, wait, you're SDA. They observe the Sabbath on Saturday. Never mind. What kind of Christmas things?
we have a Christmas party in the morning, we could talk about Christmas things
What do we talk about now?
I would love to go, but I don't know anything about it.
I kinda want to go to bible bee, but I haven't gone
That's fine. Thanks for letting me in.
...& reds fan I trust blondie & 4christ, that’s why I posted the link here
& btw I’m John...not ‘so right man’ 😅
lol blondie thx for considering it ... good luck on 📘🐝!
You're going to Bible Bee? So cool!
k John, this time I won't make any promises to get back to you or not. but you can rest assured I'll be thinking about what you've said! see, I'm going to the Bible Bee tomorrow for about a week, so idk we'll see how much I can be on. but ur right, I DEFINITELY need to ask God to show me what's right (ya know cuz I'm blond) but seriously tho ur so right man!
haha 4Christ and I will find a way to get into boys only!!! jk whatev we don't need to be there anyways
lol. Actually, 4 Christ is in here too.
the only girl in here is blondie, & she won’t give anyone the link...she can’t find the / on the keyboard to copy it 😅
Like the post with the link.
Ok, never mind. I'm in Boys Only 2 now. You probably need to delete the link though.
And, I still can't get into Boys Only 2. The link doesn't work for me. If you are admin, please unprivate it momentarily so that I can join.
I say yes to most of that. Just to clarify, John, do you believe "once saved, always saved"?
Now how do we know who is a true Christian and who isn’t? It says somewhere that we will know them by the works. Now we have the prescribing and describing thing again...i believe it doesn’t mean that we have to do works to get saved (Galatians2,16), but that the works are a FRUIT of our salvation. We don’t do works to get saved, but we are saved to do works. We can judge by the life, and especially the desires of a person if he is saved. Of course we can’t see into his heart, but a true Christian will bare fruit...whooeee this is getting kinda long😅 I’ll stop... and again, it’s not like I’m smart and u r ... well ... blond 🙃, u also have very good points that gave me something to think about. Just ask god to show u what’s right
And again, every Christian backslides bc we still have the ‘old man’, the sinful nature in us as long as we live on this earth. Take Lot for instance, in 2.Peter 2,7-9 it states clearly that lot was righteous, yet he sinned greatly and lived with ungodly pple & did many things to displease god. But if we sin, it doesn’t just not mater to Jesus. He looks for us, and washes us clean through his blood, and pays (payed) the punishment for our sin. And Romans 8,38 clearly shows that even if we are not faithful he sticks to us, his sheep, and ALWAYS brings us back home when we stray away! And NOBODY can pluck us out of his hand! The devil can’t, our sinful nature can’t, even we can’t, bc god is greater than us all (John 10,28-29). We r ‘safe in the arms of Jesus’! Jesus died for all our sins, and if ONE sin were able to make us lose our salvation, Jesus wouldn’t have died for that sin. Now in Hebrews 6,17-20 it describes how we have an ‘anchor’ in Christ, so it’s all up to him to hold us or let us go. And Jesus will NEVER let us go!
K blondie, I understand that that verse (1.john2:2) doesn’t clearly say ‘u can’t lose ur salvation’. But what this verse does is it explains the whole principle WHY we can’t lose our salvation. Every Christian strays away, they break the law, and have to ‘go to court’. God has to punish us bc he is holy and can’t have sin. But then JESUS comes on the scene and says “I have already paid his sin” (if the person is a Christian), and it’s done with! All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way;... (Isaiah 53:6) So basically a true Christian will always be convicted of his sin by the Holy Spirit, and will come back to the shepherd. If he DOESN’T come back, he never was one of his sheep...and actually it’s not we who come back to him, it’s the good shepherd who comes LOOKING for us when we have gone astray. He doesn’t go look and risk his life for a sheep that is not his. & btw I don’t see how u got the idea that 1john2:2 states that we can lose our salvation (?).
Me? I don't have any pets right now. I know I am allergic to rabbits though.
By the way, I couldn't get the link to work. Is there any other way?
I didn't find a link. They weren't on private mode so I just joined and spammed them with messages.
I can't wait to tell everyone on the app the link
what’s the website (link) u found?
yeah I changed da pic back...had to tell ya, or ya wouldn’t have noticed 😅
Oh, I wasn't being serious. I was making it up.
and I heard the "20,000" different denominations is a little exaggerated. it's really closer to 9000 but I guess that's still a lot.
John I like the pic it looks kinda Christmasy, I also like the joke although I've heard it before 😏
John, can you let me in to boys only 2?
That being said, if that is your website, you're from Massachusetts.
Hey, John, I think I found your website. If that's it, it's pretty cool.
yam, I really think you should change your picture back John
Never heard of that one. By the way, that picture is really creeping me out.
Arminius, the guy who ur denomination ‘follows’ ...& lol yeah 😅 Paul might be better...I go to a ‘Free Christian Church’
Wouldn't it be better to use Paul in that joke. He did write Hebrews. Could you please refresh my memory on who Arminius is? I have some bad brain fog today. How do you not know what denomination church you go to? I mean, they have to say, don't they? "Hello, and welcome to our church. Good luck on trying to find out what denomination we are!"
& since blondie loves jokes...how does Moses make his coffee? Hebrews it!
and reds fan, being a fwb u probably also know that even Arminius was not sure if u can lose ur salvation or not. I read a quote from him once where he said that there r enough verses to support both sides (now I think it is very clear that u cannot lose it bc the verses that say u can always can be seen differently)
and YAAAY! we finally agree on something and that’s 👍😄
I kinda think u would call me a Baptist ...I’m not sure though, bc I haven’t really taken time to think about what denomination I belong to
I Kinda agree with you, John. I don't know if we need as many denominations as we have, but I guess nobody could agree with one another, so they made like 20,000 different denominations. John, are you really non-denominational?
Well, if that doesn't give you cozy feelings at night!😓
well, this time there was to cold weather to have spiders, but that was really funny John(about spiders surfing the web) this time I could sleep without thinking of spiders on me, the thing was that I looked behind a heater thing and there were a bunch of spider skeletons😖
reds fan what does FWB stand for?
and yup Lutheran, definitely not Catholic 😬
true, yeah, but it's still helpful to have labels just so u can kinda know what ppl believe without having to ask them about every issue!! 😂 but yes I definitely agree, our main focus is the truth of Gods Word
the way I read=the way u read...
& Blondie...don't be afraid, I will find time to answer u later...I think it's just great the way I read the bible & want to know the truth. an hey! all those different groups (sda, fwb, Lutheran, Calvinist) r just different ways to interpret the same thing...it doesn't help us to get to heaven if we belong to one or the other...we just need to stick to the bible & what God tells us in our every day life. that's why it's so important to listen to him
lol & I think skylar didn't have internet bc the spiders were on the web 😂
I don't know what u would call me...I believe what the bible says, & I don't belong to any 'group' or something like that ...yeah, sb said she's Lutheran
Scripture Blondie, I think John is SDA as well.
I assume that's Seventh Day Adventist and I have no idea what they believe. Scripture Blondie is Lutheran. I am FWB.
and what are you reds fan
olo, I am SDA, and I think you are Catholic scripture blondie, are you?
Are you sure Skyler didn't get kidnapped by the spiders and they are pretending to be him now?
I am back from my grandparents, anything new?
I'm just curious, John, are u a Calvinist? or Reformed or something? 😜
ok John I'm ready to keep my promise so here goes... first of all how is that a passage that says we can't backslide? I mean sure it explains how to be a Christian and when we sin Jesus will advocate for us and all that stuff that we already agree on, but I still don't see how that means certain genuine Christians can't backslide, unless I'm missing something? and like reds fan said, Jesus wouldn't have to pay for our sins twice. his blood was shed once and for all, but it's those who r covered by it who will be saved (Hebrews 9:12). I know this passage says "thus securing an eternal redemption" but before u say that's eternal security, we have to remember it's simply redemption for those who r saved when they die, ppl can still be covered by his blood and then uncovered... I think (again I'm not 100%on this🙊). finally, how'd I take it out of context? (1John2:2 I mean). he's talking to CHRISTIANS, and so when he says "not for ours only" he would be saying "not for Christians only" wouldn't he?
and who said babies can't have faith?? huuuuh? lol
probably bc it's the same John
Oh, John, two things. One: how's the website going? Two: did you know someone has your exact same username in Prayer Requests?
What happened to Jesus Freaks?
Baptisms symbolize salvation, but the baby isn't old enough to talk, much less make a decision to serve Christ.
Yes, there is sprinkling. At my church we do baby dedications, where the parents promise to raise the child in church and give permission to the church to hold them accountable.
And, yes, Matthew West is my favorite artist.
Not well enough because it's Tae not Teak.😂
...but if u forget this time, I warn u...bc I know Karate, Teak Kwon Do, Jiu Jitsu, ...and 28 other dangerous words 😂😂
well uve never promised me anything so yeah 😅 ...promises kept
alrighty John now to you... it's gonna take me blond brain a little while to process all u said so, as always (and have I ever broken my promise?😏) I shall get back to u on this new debate (that is, I shall HOPE to)
and lol reds fan there's this thing called SPRINKLING WATER. Last I heard that couldn't really drown anyone 😂 but no I get your joke
yes happy Thanksgiving ppl!! REDS FAN I LOVE THAT SONG!!! Matthew West is your fav artists huh?
especially with me around 😂
You're braver than I am. Black Friday can be scary.😱
at BLACK FRIDAY SHOPPING😄 & hpy thxgiving btw ...in ADVANCE 😂😂
That was actually written by my favorite artist ever.
Gobble gobble one, gobble gobble two, gobble gobble me, gobble gobble you!🦃🦃🦃
Happy Thanksgiving everyone!!!!! Ready for a Thanksgiving song??
Jesus doesn't have to pay for our sins twice, like you said. At our church, when a Christian backslides and after awhile comes back to Christ, we call it a re-dedication. It's not that you need to get saved again, it's that you're coming back to God (I realize I just said that, but I couldn't think of any other way to say it.)
lol & thx for the compliment...I hope it’s god speaking through me & not my smartness 🙃
So basically this is the setting: we have sinned..god is the judge..and he is about to declare his verdict. We don’t even CARE about our sin, but here is where the difference comes in! The holy Ghost will always convict a genuine Christian of his sin. So now our advocate Jesus Christ comes in and says ‘wait a minute, I already paid his punishment for his sin, he excepted this gift. He can go free!’ ...there’s the point, if Jesus paid the punishment for a persons sin, and that person ‘stops being a Christian’ he would NOT have to pay for his sins again. Jesus would have paid it all & the guy would be free from hell. If Jesus washes our sins away, it’s impossible to get them back. “As far as the east is from the west, so far hath god banned our sin forever”. We r free from our burden & don’t even desire to have it back, to ‘stop being a Christian’. So what this passage is trying to say is, the Holy Spirit will always convict a genuine Christian, and Jesus has paid his sin already so it’s done with. The ingenue Christian...well v. 4😅
Lol blondie ..CONGRATULATIONS!!! U just gave me a key passage that makes me believe u can NOT lose ur salvation 😅...I’m sorry, but u can’t take one verse out of the context like that. So basically in 1John2:1 he is explaining that we should not sin. That does not mean that we are able to live without sin, so he tells us that we have an ‘advocate’ before the holy god which is his son Jesus Christ. In verse 3 he explains who is a Christian. ‘We know him if we keep his commandments’ ...well who can keep his commandments? No one can! Because we have a sinful nature! So what now? Well the Holy Ghost is the one who makes us able to keep his commandments. In verse 4 he talks about those ingenue Christians I keep talking about. It says somewhere in the Bible ‘by the FRUITS we will know that they are of god’.
lol if that’s the case I’m in the process making my church non-denominational 😂
John, you wouldn't happen to be Non-Denominational would you? Because I heard Tim Hawkins say one time that Non-Denominational churches were just Baptists with a cool website.😂😂😂 No offense intended with that. Just thought I would throw in some humor.
I mean the website. I've seen the picture you made for Emoji Talk and Prayer Requests and they look pretty cool.
You seem like you would be good at that.
a lot to do still ...& btw blondie, u can expect an answer to ur post down there 👇 when I have time 😂
By the way, John, how's the website going?
I wouldn't do it. That's like drowning them.
we could talk about infant baptism 😝
But what do we talk about now?
and I'll admit that IS a very encouraging verse, even if I still think we can lose our salvation 😏
and John on that issue again I think I still agree with reds fan bc of 1John (ur fav book lol!) 2:2. but heh knowing you and all your smartness it probably doesn't mean what I think it means. again, I'm willing to be changed!
haHA you're pretty funny too reds fan
And good to see you're back John. It seemed you vanished from the planet.
Only Christians can profit from Christ's death, but He died so that everyone would have the opportunity.
hi I can talk on the phone🤗 I still won’t talk much though
lol yeah...I like John...& myself 😅
& Blondie, here’s an encouraging verse I ran across that I want to share with u (about the supposed loss of ones salvation) 1st John 5:13 reads: These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may KNOW that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. we can know that we have eternal life, and do not have to have the fear of backsliding or losing salvation...
and about for whom god died...I have explained this before down there 👇... Jesus’ death on the cross is for those who except this gift for themselves. Jesus paid the sin of those who want him to pay their sin. Gods sacrifice is a gift, and only those who except the gift can profit by it. The people who do not want him as their savior will pay their sin themselves! In hell! Yes in a sense Jesus died for everyone bc everyone has the OPTION to come to him. But we know very well that only few will come. God, on the other hand, knows exactly who his sheep are and who will lay down his pride and come to him.
Sorry for the below three posts. Just trying to get spiders and God's Not Dead in with separate posts because they don't exactly go well together.
"Hey, spiders. Scripture Blondie says 'Hi.'😂😂😂
That was so random that it was funny!!!!😂😂😂😂
bye Skyler say hi to all the spiders for me thx
and John I would say he died for everyone, but yeah only those who believe in him will be saved
ok reds fan I must admit you've convinced me! Gods Not Dead is no longer cheesy to me. it makes sense now thanks
bye, I am leaving to my grandparents house for the week and won't have inter net, but they have a house full of spiders
No, everyone will not go to Heaven, but he died so that everyone has a chance. He didn't die for some and not others. And, yes the movie.
the movie? ...and reds fan, does that mean u believe that everyone will go to heaven?
Everyone. He died so that none would perish. John, what are your thoughts on God's Not Dead?
lol blondie were u the only one at the theater?
like: who did Jesus die for?
so does anyone have a scripture question we should talk about?
I think the professor let him speak because he thought he could crush Josh and further prove his atheistic beliefs, which, obviously didn't happen. About the car. Him being hit isn't exactly unbelievable. I mean, he was going through concert traffic. I do think he would have been instantly killed, but, as it explains in the movie, God was giving him one last chance.
it was still a good idea tho and it was fun to watch Josh "defend" God
that's cool reds fan! none of that happened when I watched it at the theater 😅. and I was saying it's unrealistic how the professor randomly got hit by a car, and also idk how many ATHEISTs would let a Christian just stand up in front of his class and prove Gods existence, especially considering how much he hated God
sigh, I took like a 4 hour nap and I am in bed to take another nap
I'm so sorry Skyler!!!!!😢
I don't think it's unrealistic. There have actually been numerous cases where college students have stood up for Christ.
When I first saw it in theaters and Josh said that, the entire audience gave it a standing ovation and one guy yelled "hallelujah."
"How can you hate someone that doesn't exist."
reds fan now that you mention it, the third one IS pretty bizarre. almost like they're kinda trying to hard to "relate" to the young folks or something idk. but the first one is just so unrealistic to me it's kinda hard to watch when the professor dies! well, I guess Jude died and that was even sadder so.... ugh now u just made me not know which one is my fav!!! lol
yeah take it easy on the blondes kiddo haha jk. I'm sorry I shoulda told you but actually it's still there 😬
well forget it 😅...I k ur blond & u just forgot to inform me😅 ...so I am asking u to advertise for my NEW group named Emoji Talk where we communicate using only emojis 😊
& Blondie PLEASE at least INFORM me next time u delete one of my groups 😞😓 ...I agree that it was time to get rid of it, but u could at least have told me before
sorry lol😂 ...I’m involved in a kinda big project...I’m helping to make the new website for my church
I actually think they get worse as they go. Like I said, I haven't seen two in awhile, so I really can't say either way on that one. Three just didn't set right with me. We let the kid go free with no punishment whatsoever after killing a man. Now, granted, he didn't intentionally kill anyone, but he shouldn't have thrown the brick in the first place. Then we give the church over to be torn down. I'm not saying there shouldn't be peace. I'm saying we need to defend the cause of Christ.
I have seen some of the movie, I never. saw all of gods not dead
I haven't seen two in a really long time, so I can't say much about that one.
I didn't really like three. Besides, they killed Jude. That's ludicrous, that's appalling, and that's unacceptable.
and LOL YEAH JOHN WHERE ARE U??? 😂😂😂
I have seen all three God's Not Deads and I think they get better each one (both quality wise and, idk it seems like they get less "unrealistic" if you know what I mean). however, I didn't really like how at the end of the third one it seemed like the Atheists and Christians just all let down their signs and kinda united, which COULD be good but it could also be bad. anyway hey this would make a good topic eh??
Happy Friday afternoon everyone. Anybody got a good topic to discuss?
Did John drop from the face of the earth?🤔
Has anyone seen God's Not Dead?
What happened to topic discussion?
it is fun to make skyluch words, and one word at a time, we can have a whole language soon
haha Skyler. fhoyte would you make more skyluch words olo??
it is? ugh I can't get rid of 😕. oh well I'm done with it sorry John it was a nice gift while it lasted 😋
but the group match making is still there
two new skyluch words fhoyte=why? and olo=lol
woe I meant it's NOT worth it lol
yep I deleted it... ugh it's worth it. 'twas fun thanks John but it must end
yeah I mad it jesuscrew...for blondie
lol blondie...here’s a tip: read things before u respond
um, did you make the group match making, John?
ooh right I kinda forgot kinda was just lazy
Bad grammar. You're supposed to put brackets inside parentheses.
y'all see I put a parenthesis in a parenthesis... pretty clever eh? or bad grammar 😬
(relief that you understand we're all sinners and thankfully I (hopefully) understand it to. if there's one thing I understand it's that!! haha)
oh I just saw ur second comment John.... RELEIF !!! lol
lol Skyler y'all r very logical, something I need more of 🙄
truuuuue but we hopefully also all agree that no one can live that perfect life so we all need Jesus 😏
...and bc it’s impossible to live without sin (bc we have a sinful nature) there is only one way ...get the point? (sorry blondie I k that’s a lot to try to understand 😀)
well technically there r 2 ways to heaven...either we lead a completely pure life without sin, or we accept Jesus wonderful gift on the cross who paid for our sin and ‘deleted’ it
It shouldn't be surprising that we agree that Jesus is the only way to the Father.
😳 reds fan! we finally agreed! yahoo, we both tend not to agree, even though we both have very good logic
God never says he will de everything we want, faith makes things possible not easy
I think we can all agree on... Jesus is the only way to the Father!!!
well we're probably not where u r so yeah I guess that means we're all gone lol
I don't think in the Bible it says, "God will do everything He can to make us happy."
No. Baseball is definitely the best sport ever. It is even called America's favorite pastime.
could we agree that soccer is the all time best sport?
what could we agree on...
I think they will because I will be happier in heaven with animals and God will do everything he can to make us happy
And suddenly, no one is active.
Yeah, I don't think animals have souls either. Man was the only thing to be created in God's image. That would lead me to believe that mankind is the only being with a spiritual life. Sorry, Skyler, I wish we could find something to agree on. Anybody got another topic?
I would agree with what John said but hey ya never know! 😉
isn't it like lion sleeping with the sheep, anyway I want to see if reds fan agrees, if he does we will finially agree on something and there will be nothing to fight over
it says that there will be animals. “The lions will eat with the cows...” i don’t think it will be our pets that we have here though. they don’t have a soul ...
we COULD discuss if animals will go to heaven, I think they will because in heaven God will do everything in his power to make us happier and we will be so much happier when we have pets of ours and things in heaven, though God might not bring all animals to heaven
No problem. What should we discuss now? Your group, you should choose.
lol thanks for reading all that though 😉
I think so too, Blondie. The old topic kinda died. Anybody got a new one to discuss?
John sadly I don't have much to your points way back down there. I'll be considering all you said tho! maybe it's time to move on to some other topics idk 😂
yea whether or not woman are good at it is not the point. it's still against the Bible. but there's so many more jobs God has for us women! like being a mother 😜👍
True. But God only calls the best qualified man for the job. False teachers aren't of God.
all I know is there are surely some more men out there that I can think of that are bad then there are women🙄
lol yeah thanks 😀...I agree with u btw reds fan
Take your time, John. We can wait. That actually sounded sarcastic, but it wasn't meant to be.
God can still use women, and He does. But they should not be ordained. At our church there is a women's Sunday school class. I think that's fine. Just No women preachers.
I think they should be, I think God can do so much work with them then without them
sorry I’ve not been that active here...I’ll try to find some time
yeah 2:12...I agree blondie
whoops it's 2:12 actually
I agree with 4Christ bc of 1 Timothy 3:12 I think it is. woman ARE equal to men but they have different roles then them 😊
no women should not be ordained.
Right. But throughout the Bible, Deborah was the only female Spiritual leader that we really find.
I am going to leave this group sorry
I think you mean split the women and men on different sides of the church and sometimes women would yell to their husband what the person was talking about. this disrupted the church so they asked them to talk about what it meant at home.
yeah I totally agree blondie
at that time it seems women didn't get much education, they seem to have spit on other sides and they would call to their husbands on the other side of the church, they would call out to their husbands in the middle of church and disrupt church in the process, so we think it means to only ask your. husbands at home.
Skyler, read Corinthians 14:34-35.
I say they should be Jesus crew, why not? they are just as equal as men, they would help serve God more it they were ordinated
what denomination is everyone?
also Skyler maybe God is just. it's not about whether he's mean or not it's about giving ppl the judgement they deserve if they don't trust in Jesus to save them. but I can understand how feel 😉
ok, we will need pure Bible for this question. should women be ordained?
My next question would be, "Then what are you?", but I'm not going to ask anyone to answer something I probably wouldn't.
Well, I'm definitely not one of those, I'll tell you that much.
and yeah i think u r right 4Christ...seventh day Adventist’s
u r welcome Blondie...yeah I agree with u on this one reds fan😀 a true Christian will not be physically forced to change, but will have the desire to grow in Christ and to become more like him.
people won't burn forever in hell, God would not be that mean, the fire is eternal, but not the people, people will die and not burn forever, sorry that is what I though I said in the message
God wants His will, but He will not force His will.
John 10:10 I have come that they might have life and have it more abundantly.
I agree with reds fan that we all seem to be repeating ourselves (especially me lol) so I might respond to your points John, but maybe they'll be shorter idk. I'll see what I can think up!
wow! interesting stuff guys. I wanna talk about it ALL!! for now I'd just like to say John your last point was very encouraging and thank you so much for that! 😉. also, to everyone you guys are so good a talking about this stuff and I can tell you guys aren't trying to "win" or anything, you're just seeking the truth and that's great! 👍
Not sure that I've ever heard of it, so I'm definitely not one.
I think SDA stands for seventh day Adventist’s
I agree with John on this one (😅 not used to that). God didn't say " do what pleases you" because then we would be putting ourselves first instead of God. Jesus Crew,to be Christians, we need to let God change us. He will not make us change, but Christians need to be changed from their old self. And eaglets, what is SDA?
but changing who we are is making us without a will. if we will end up with no real will then what was the point of making the human race? for robots?
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I don’t agree with you Skyler the Bible does say that people who have not accepted Jesus will burn forever in hell.
god does not want us to have a happy life, he wants us to fulfill his plan for us whatever it is
amen, go wants us to have a happy life and not a life of terror
if God changed our character we would not have a will. we would not be humans, but more like robots.
but there is only one thing that God cannot change-our character. it is what we do when a situation comes up. like we see a tree with a giant orange on it. we could run home and give it to someone or eat it. If we had a good character we would give, but if we had a bad character then we would take.
the devil will go to hell but not burn forever, I would hate to serve a God who would make us burn forever, the God I serve is loving, and the wages of sin are death, the bible says so, the bible does. not say the wages of sin is eternal anguish, the bible says there will be eternal fire, but never eternal death, there will however be eternal life, we should save up for that life now, say there is a rope that stretches into space forever, then there is this inlet little sliver of the rope, if you do treat the sliver well, you get the rest of the rope, we should definitely worry about the little sliver. representing our lives, I hope I proved the point about not burning forever be chase I am kinda changing the subject
I know your Christian but what religion like SDA, baptist or maybe catholic
true reds fan...it’s always nice to be certain though 😉 ...and jesuscrew please read my (sorry long) post down there 👇...how can u be sure there will still be bad people? The devil is the source of all bad things, and god defeated the devil didn’t he? I’ve explained all that already so if u care to look back...
I'm not trying to prove a point either. I am actually running out of things to say without repeating what I have already said. You haven't convinced me to believe what you're saying, and I don't think this topic is going to really affect our Christian lives in a terrible way. As long as we all love and serve God faithfully and believe on His Son, then I believe we will be ok.
I don't think that the once saved always saved is true. If God gave every person who at a time was good but turned bad then Heaven would kinda be like earth. there would still be bad people. the only difference is that no one could die and that we would live in better homes, have more money, eat better, and other luxuries. but that really doesn't change anything. the real Heaven is love, kindness, helpfulness, giving, and more. basically, the character like God. Heaven is not really luxuries, it's where love is abundant. That's why sin is bad. if we let our sin go we are developing a character that makes this world hopeless. that is why we need Jesus to help us overcome our character. Only He can help us break our sinful ways. And the earth is where we develop our character. Sin is developing a bad character. If we ask Jesus to help us to not sin again then He will. we will sin again of course. but if truly try then through Christ we will sin less and less. this is the development of character and our way to Heaven.
Point#4️⃣: I am not trying to win an argument or convert u to anything 🙂. I am just trying to illustrate how wonderful gods gift is to us. That he does not just say “ok I died, now you see to it that you don’t backslide”. Jesus defeated the devil! (Point#2). Blondie i encourage you to look to HIM for guidance. He will show you what you need to know if you just ask him. I am just so glad that I don’t have to be a Muslim who is always is uncertain whether or not he will go to heaven. That I can be sure that Jesus has saved me completely, and nobody can rip me out of his hands!
Point#3️⃣: yeah I’m glad u told me about ur background:-)...let me summarize ur point: Jesus is the reason we chose good, and we are the reason we chose wrong (?). We r sinners, and if we had the possibility to choose we would always choose to go our own way. So if that’s how things were, then all Christians would lose their salvation. We would be like the Catholics or the Muslims who live in constant fear of losing their ‘ticket’ to heaven. It is by gods grace, and that alone, that we come to him for forgiveness. He looks for his sheep (the true Christian) and speaks to them, and brings them back to him. And about John 6:37...u just have to continue reading till verse 40. “And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which believeth on him, will have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.” So it does not say “every one which believeth in him just might have everlasting life if he manages to keep his salvation”. Get it? As I said, we ourselves would always choose wrong.
Yes I agree that not everybody is going to heaven. Jesus’ death on the cross is for those who except this gift for themselves. Jesus paid the sin of those who want him to pay their sin. Gods sacrifice is a gift, and only those who except the gift can profit by it. The people who do not want him as their savior will pay their sin themselves! In hell! Yes in a sense Jesus died for everyone bc everyone has the OPTION to come to him. But we know very well that only few will come. God, on the other hand, knows exactly who his sheep are and who will lay down his pride and come to him. And AMEN, I am also so glad that Jesus died for our sin!
Point#2️⃣: what I was trying to say before is that we have done nothing for our salvation. It was Jesus who paid our sin. so if we say that we can loose that salvation it means that Jesus would have failed, that he lost control. Because everything depends on him, we would question his power to save completely. If so, it would be kinda like an “ok, I gave my life on the cross for those people, I HOPE it pays and they don’t backslide again”. Jesus defeated the devil at the cross. If we say that we can lose our salvation, we would be saying that Jesus had not defeated him bc he would still have the possibility to win us back. Jesus’ Mission on the cross would have failed. (Ok i copied that but get the point?).
Now what I was trying to say down there 👇 was that when a true Christian strays away, god speaks to his heart. A genuine Christian will see his fault and fell bad about saddening god. And a true Christian will repent and want to avoid doing the same thing again. As long as we live on this earth, satan will have an effect on us. This is the devils world, but the true Christian is ‘in the world but not of the world’. When one of his sheep gives in to one of the many temptations in this world, god is ‘faithful and just that he forgives us our sin and cleanses us from all our transgressions’. He is the good shepherd. If his sheep go astray, he carries them back home (the true Christians). If we can just sin, and do not feel guilty about it or even like it, we should ask us if we really have let Jesus take control of our lives.
Ok Blondie thanks so much for trying to answer my points and for making it ‘not as long this time’ 😅 ...Point#1️⃣: yes of course there are Christians who stray away. In fact, all Christians stray away! We in ourselves would not even care to stay with god & keep on the right track. It’s just gods enormous grace and mercy that allows us to come back and to repent when we have done wrong. It says in Isaiah 53:6 ‘All we like sheep have gone astray...’ That we even are gods children is all through his grace.
lol I've always gotta end on a happy note 😊
sorry I don't have a better answer. we'll know in Heaven I guess! 😅
hm I'm a little lost... but Skyler I don't know much about Hell but I do know it's real and we can't deny it. oof i know I should give u some verses but just read Revelation man! it's real and that doesn't mean God doesn't love us. it doesn't make sense to me but I guess that's just the way it is 😕
Oh! Never mind. I get it now.
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God doesn't want us to suffer, He wants us to be saved, but a lot of people don't accept Him. If we were to think along the lines of, "God doesn't want us to suffer, so He won't let us.", we could also say, "God doesn't want us to be unsaved, so He won't let us stay that way." That would be going against the free will that God gives us.
In answer to Revelation 20:14, read the next verse.
By the way, John, what is your church doing?
Christian. I wouldn't be on Scripture Typer if I wasn't a Christian.
what is your religion reds fan
do you really think God would throw people into a fire forever and just let them die, do you think God enjoys making people suffer, my religion teaches that he actually loves us and cares about us, and for the verse, try reading revelation 20:14 and Romans 6:23 and Malachi 4:3
so do you believe that when we die that we go to heaven or hell
haha ur welcome Blondie 😃...u r probably as patient with me ..🙂
I will try to answer all those points though so don’t worry 😃
sorry guys I don’t have that much time right now bc I’m in a big project for my church
Ok, what I found is that at judgment day, the people in hell will be brought up and judged. Then if they are not saved (which, if they are in hell, the wouldn't be saved) they will be cast into the lake of fire. I don't have the passage, I just found the verse itself.
I like fewer, longer posts more than a lot of short ones too. I also believe that the fire will burn forever, but I also believe that the people there will burn forever. It seems that somewhere in the Bible it says something about unrelenting fire, which means it isn't going to get any better. I do not want to sound rude, but I would like for you to try to find a passage in Scripture to support your idea and I will do the same.
I see your point reds fan, but you got what I wise all wrong, I don't believe people will burn forever, I believe that the fire will burn forever, people will be eternally lost(not eternally burned) or eternally saved, many people are not Christians and kill and steal, even when they know better they do it, the cannot be saved without accepting Jesus and his law first, that is why we must do things now and help people understand about gods law, that brings us to people who never hear about God in their life, they are judged according to their heart, not by if they knew about God
If you didn't understand the Adrian Rodgers statement, it's basically saying that he sins as much as he wants. As a Christian, he doesn't want to sin. So, if he doesn't want to sin, he would be sinning as much as he wants. Kinda a weird way of putting it, but it does make sense and it is truthful.
and reds fan um, what would u need to convince me of I'm pretty sure I already agree with ya
thanks John for your nice comment btw! also ur patience with me as a blond!! 😂
Wide is the gate, and broad is the way, and many there be which go in there at. Matthew 7:13 if you want to read it for yourself.
Like the Bible says, "it is His will that none should perish." That does not mean He will just take everyone to Heaven one day. There are consequences for what we do. Remember, bored is the gate to destruction, and many will find it.
John, I totally agree with "true Christians don't want to sin." But the backsliders sin because they have strayed away from God. I believe it was Adrian Rodgers who said something like this, "As a Christian, I sin as much as I want. I don't want to sin." That should be a true Christians attitude. About the Israelites, some of them were Christians, but I believe some, if not most, were not. It's not up to me to judge whether they were saved or not. That's between them and God, so I'll just leave it at that. Skyler, are you saying that the unbelievers who die or are alive at judgment day and get cast into the lake of fire will not be there forever? If so, then I wholeheartedly disagree. If we knew that we would eventually get out, we would probably never get saved. Everyone will eventually go somewhere eternally. One way is eternal happiness, the other, eternal anguish.
hell fire is eternal because it cannot be destroyed, but we will not burn forever because God is not mean like that
we're not talking about that but yes you are right
not eternal hell. it is hellfire. eternal hell is a lie.
no satan will not go to heaven he will be trapped on the earth for 1000 years and then god will throw him into hell
and those types of people don't go to heaven.
well, God actually says in the bible that people who were bad will join Satan and try to take over the golden city, but him and his army's will be destroyed, and a big question is: Will Satan go to heaven?
...man this is getting long😄 ...and about the Israelites: the Israelites who ended up perishing in the desert were some of those (as I already have explained) who knowingly go against god and actually have already understood everything. They have already seen all gods great works in Egypt, in the wilderness(...) and they understand who god is. But they chose to go against him knowingly
ok and reds fan...what i said down there 👇 was that those who say “well, God said he would forgive us so we can just keep sinning” are not true Christians but people who try to take the advantages of being a Christian. Romans 6 is actually self-explanatory in the question if we can just keep sinning and let god forgive us all the time. If we look at it that way (yay so now I’m a Christian and I got a ticket to sin as much as I like) then we must ask ourselves if we really have let god into our lives. A true Christian will not even WANT to sin against god and make him sad. A true will want to sin ‘as little as possible’. And that is the great thing about being a true Christian, that when we give in to temptation god always leads us back to him (the parable of the good shepherd).
And Blondie i am definitely gonna read ur comments and respond to them (when I have time). What i really admire about u is that even though u r not a theologian (and r blond 😝😄), u really try to understand all this stuff 👍
skyler the fact that we are saved does not state that we don’t keep sinning. My point was (if u care to read down there👇) that we will feel bad about sinning and have a bad conscience when we do (if we are saved). And of course god still punishes us when we sin, even when we are Christians. That is part of growing in him. It says somewhere in the Bible: ‘whosoever he loveth, he chastiseth’ (punishes). God wants us to grow in him and to rely totally on him and punishment is part of his plan to bring us back when we stray. (now I don’t mean that we can lose our salvation, but we still have the ‘old man’ in us, which is satan, who keeps tempting us and sometimes we give in. But god will speak to the true Christian, and the true Christian will admit his fault and come back to god. God always forgives bc he has already paid for ALL our sin on the cross) skyler pls read romans 6 about that
Skyler, you couldn't have used a better example. The Israelites went back and forth so many times it is unbelievable. By the way, Blondie, have I convinced you, or John.
yes, we can cast ourselves out because if we would always be saved we would just be bad all our lives, God does not want that, we must have consequences for what we do, I could name a HUGE list of people who were punished for doing what they should not have, when Moses and the Israelites sinned they were not able to better the promise land, when Jacob deceived his father he had to wonder the desert for years and years, when David sinned by committing adultery against uriah he had to loose his son, the silts goes on and on and it shows we must be punished for what we do, otherwise this world would be VERY corrupt
and again don't feel like u hafta respond or read this at all!
k last point about the prescribing and describing. I find it very interesting! I'm going to have to look into that a little more and maybe even practice it a little. tbh u seem to be winning this argument (I'm not saying I'm CONVINCED, simply stumped and saying that ur doing a very good job!)
ok and no prob telling u about my background! (I didn't even expect u to read it so thanks for reading it lol). ok John 6:37 and John 10 are VERY good passages to support you. like I've said way before I'm still not completely sure ppl can lose their salvation. it's just what I've been believing and so far haven't been convinced otherwise (but I'd say you've come the closest to convincing me 😮😉👍). but you still have not completely changed my mind. with that I'll say this... I know I keep saying this, but I feel like John 6:37 still isn't saying there CANT be backsliders? cause like I said before, when we come to Jesus (or Jesus chooses us whichever you will), that is all thanks to JESUS. He's the reason we choose good, but WE are the reason we choose bad (or choose to reject him). so you represented me correctly, thank you very much. hence, when Jesus says in John 6:37,"whoever comes to me I will never cast out", he won't! but WE still might cast OURSELVES out. does that make sense? I would totally understand if that makes no sense lol
point 2. I see your point.... isn't Jesus' death enough to cause us not to backslide? is that kinda what u were saying? but here's the thing. I'm pretty sure you'd agree that that not everyone is going to heaven, right? so why did Jesus die for everyone when they're not all gonna be saved? idk the answer to that, but that's my point. idk why Jesus doesn't just save everyone, or at keep those who r saved, but whether I know why or not, not everyone is gonna be saved. that's just the fact. whether they are saved for some time and then stray or were just never Christians in the first place, we know that there will be ppl going to hell. eek I don't like the way I ended that so I'll end on a happy note. I'm so glad that Jesus died for us and now my brother needs this iPad lol so I'll hafta get back to u on the other points later 😂
Because if he said that it would contradict his statement that you cannot lose your salvation.
point 1. ok so you've mostly convinced me that these are REALLY any non Christian, but I still don't see why u think they're ALL non Christians? I agree that there ARE non Christians who have never been Christians, but I still don't see why there can't be Christians who stray away
k John I'm ready to answer ur points but they probably won't be as long this time 😅
reds fan I think he was talking about the ppl u just mentioned who "take advantage of being a Christian" by purposely sinning cause they know Jesus forgave them. also I think he meant to say "those who say they are Christians and are not." is that what u meant John?
I really couldn't understand what you just said.
those who say that r not Christians but people who try to only take the ‘advantages’ of being a Christian
Right, we shouldn't want to sin. But some people try to say, " well, God said he would forgive us." And He will, but if we are truly sorry and ask for forgiveness. It doesn't give us a license to sin.
so as I was saying it is hard to do stuff when.. jk, but yes, we must love out of desire and not fear
sorry reds fan...I will try to take more time later on...
I don’t have a lot of time, but romans 6 clearly deals with ur comment “Because if we became saved and we knew we could never go back, we would do whatever we wanted”. We would not even have the DESIRE to do what we wanted
Check your group, dude. I mean, it is your group.
Alright, man, I read the four chapters of Romans. What now?
skyler pls stop changing the subject all the time
I don't either, neither does Jesus crew1(who just went on a campout and should be back by Sunday )
wow this stuff is so interesting and btw I will only be active probably in the afternoonishes. so I'm hoping to have some stuff by then but we'll see. thanks guys this is really fun!!
Ok, I read it. Say what you need to say.
guys just READ romans 5-8
Because if we became saved and we knew we could never go back, we would do whatever we wanted. Which, if we are truly saved, we would never want to sin, but sometimes we do. When that happens, we are sorry and ask for forgiveness.
by the way, do you believe the one saved always saved?
you should look at it, it is great
there are many other stories to
And, Blondie, I don't really know what the Lutherans believe to know if I should be worried or not. 😀
Ok, I kinda took care of one of the John chapters in JesusSaves. Nobody can pluck us out of His hand, but we can leave it. Dude, lay off the "this does not suit our pride" paragraph. You have used it, like three times. And and another thing. Do you happen to be one of those people who believe that the saved people have already been predetermined?
I hope that isn’t to much for ur blond brain😅 ...I know it was a LOT of stuff 😉
And yeah about the prescribing and describing...To know if a passage is only describing or also prescribing, u need to take the whole scripture. And there r just way to clear verses that say that Jesus saves all his sheep. He is the good shepherd. Nobody can rob him of his sheep... not even the sheep themselves! If they go astray, he carries them back home. To say that even one verse means that u can lose ur salvation, would be to say that it contradicts those clear passages I spoke about. That in turn would mean that the Bible has truths and lies in it (bc one verse has to be right and the other wrong). If so, then how should we know what the lies are in the Bible? Get the point? The Bible is ‘in tune’ and we can’t twist a verse to say that it means something that the clear verses contradict.
Ok thanks for telling me about ur background 😊...yes this is really a totally different topic. So basically what U believe is similar to what I think. You say that all are dead, and then god saves some and those get to chose if they stay or lose their salvation (am I right?). What i believe is that god speaks to all of us, but only those that God has chosen will come to him (John 6:37). This is a totally different topic and if you’d like I can go into it further and try to explain from the Bible what I think. For now, I would like to stay with the supposed loss of ones salvation. There are so many passages in the Bible that clearly state that you can’t lose ur salvation. Pleas read John 6 and John 10. And a basic rule is always that the clear passages explain the unclear ones. It says clearly that “My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.” And “And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which He hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.” So to say that we can lose our salvation would be to say that Jesus has failed to “lose nothing”.
2️⃣point#2: I was saying all that stuff about being saved by grace through faith and all out of three reasons: first of all, I wanted to know what u think about it. Second if u didn’t, I wanted u to have a possibility to look at things from my perspective. And most important, I was trying to make a point that because Jesus died on the cross for us and is our only way to god, and he has done everything, it is very humbling for us as sinful people. Because god takes all our self-determination out of our hand! That does not suit our pride! But at the same time this truth makes us glad, for just because everything hangs on him our salvation is safe! We have done nothing for our salvation. It was Jesus who paid our sin. so if we say that we can loose that salvation it means that Jesus would have failed, that he lost control. Because everything depends on him, we would question his power to save completely. If so, it would be kinda like an “ok, I gave my life on the cross for those people, I HOPE it pays and they don’t backslide again”. Jesus defeated the devil at the cross. If we say that we can lose our salvation, we would be saying that Jesus had not defeated him bc he would still have the possibility to win us back. Jesus’ Mission on the cross would have failed.
Ok Blondie, i am gonna try to answer ur points from down there👇. Point#1: the answer to ur question (who is an Antichrist) is actually very simple. Just read on till verse 22 (1st John 2:19-22). He that denieth the father and the son is an Antichrist (an ‘AgainstGod’). For me that includes all non Christians bc they deny gods power to save them, or don’t let god speak to them.
reds fan if we were left with our own free will we'd all choose to reject God
Skyler welcome! I read you're "random " post and I TOTALLY understand what ur saying!! haha I actually thought it was really funny!
Free will. He wants us to come back, but He will not make us.
Sounds about right to me.
you must accept Jesus and then keep his word, when Jesus told the parable of the lost sheep, he meant that you can be in gods heard but you can also go astray, that sheep could have run away again and if you run away from God we cannot find our way back we must have God find us and willingly let him take us back, the more we resist the more we cannot have him find us
I didn't say the works are of ourselves. For that, read Ephesians 2:8-9. It basically says that we are not saved because of what we have decided because then we could boast. But, nonetheless. we still need to do something. Jesus told Peter, "Go feed my sheep." And my first point, we have to accept it. So, let's just say that today is your birthday. Happy birthday, here's your present🎁. That present does you no good if you don't accept it.
I don’t have the time to answer all that now, but just quick to reds fan: yes it’s true that we need to have faith in god and believe and so on. My point before was just that if we can lose our salvation, we nullify gods ability to save us ‘completely’ by saying that we have to watch out that we don’t slide back! And about the works part...read romans 6. We don’t perform the work, but god is performing them through us. If we are truly Christian, we will automatically want to do what god wants us to do. Bc all the works we do in ourselves are not of god...(read John 3:16-20 for this one)
Just some food for thought.
And also. you said we can't do anything for our salvation. It is true that we didn't earn it and we can't add anything to it (and still have true salvation), but we do have to do a few things. First, we must accept it. Second, we must believe in it. Third, we must do something because faith without works is dead. Not saying works will get you to Heaven, but we can't just sit on our church pew until Jesus comes back and expect to hear Him say "welcome home, my good and faithful servant."
John, about Saul. Look at 1 Samuel 10:6-7.
nope, only eleven lines and not sixteen, and I don't think you need to read that because it is kinda random
this group is filled with long posts lie, this one, I guess that is because the group is for explaining things, but other groups tent to have more short posts, this is kinda part of the explaining because I am explaining😊but we all need to post long posts some of the time I guess, and I think I will even read all of that blondie even though you guys don't need to read this since it is kinda random and really long, the longest thing I ever posted though was like sixteen things down and I dough that I will beat that, I hate not knowing how long my post will be because during contests I don't know if I need ore of saying something to win, never the less I am glad I don't have to have the message cover the whole screen, tho is changing the subject al the time cause I guess I am kinda bored, there I go changing the subject again🙄I wonder if this will be my longest post
I had no idea this group was a thing
pleeease don't feel like u hafta read all this, much less respond!!! 😆 thanks for the awesome discussion John
point 3, interesting. To be honest I was just scrambling to find a verse that says "blot out from the book of life"! I know not very good of me (don't forget my hair color lol). I just heard that point before and I thought there were verses that actually talk about people's names being blotted out? I guess not if I can't find any 😬
k and about the verses I brought up, I realize what you are saying about prescribing and describing, but then u can just do that with any verse! no fair lol 😂😂. idk but seriously that means either I'm right or your right, it just depends on how u look at it 😉
Point #2. I found myself 1000% agreeing with pretty much all of your paragraph here!! Amen Jesus paid it all, it ALL depends on him, we are saved by grace thro faith, made holy, we still sin, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't repent, etc. Not exactly sure how this proves you can't lose your salvation? let me give you some background of where I come from. first of all I'm a Lutheran (which is a whole other topic I know 😉) (also this does NOT mean I think Luther was anything special and the Bible and the Bible ALONE is the word of God, and I'd reject anything Luther said if it contradicted scripture, in fact I DO reject a lot of what Luther said I just find myself agreeing with a lot of it too, like my family 😊). ANYWAYSSSSS!!! are u familiar with "the 5 points of Calvinism"? well Lutherans are about 3 of those. basically what I'm trying to say is I believe in total depravity (we are dead in our sins Eph 2:1) and God is the only one who can make us alive. We will always reject God on our own. but once God makes us alive in him, we now have the ability to choose, stay with him, or stray away. so, whenever we do choose good, it's thanks to God, and whenever we choose bad, it's thanks to us
OK. I think I'm ready now 😅. I'm gonna start with your first paragraph where you said "Ok Blondie now it's your turn" (cause I don't think I'll be able to get into the Saul stuff lol). so point #1. Ok I think you got me on this one. That is to say maybe 1 John 2 IS simply talking about anyone against God, however John seems to be warning his audience of them so it's almost like they would be almost be more of false prophets rather than every single non Christian. My point in saying that is even tho there ARE ppl who were never Christians, that still can't prove that there are NOT ppl who can be a Christian and then not
yeah Blondie, im exited to know...reds fan, the fact that god chose Saul as king does not prove to me that he was saved. God always has a plan, and he can use unsaved people for it to (as he did with the king of Babylon). Besides, god was very frustrated with the Israelites at the time and then decided to ‘give in’ to their requirement and give them a king. I don’t know what gods plan was right then, but maybe he wanted to show the Israelites through Saul that it is better to rely on god than on sinful people. If I remember right, god himself wanted to be the one that Israel looked upon as their king, but the Israelites wanted an earthly king like the other countries had. As I said, the fact that Saul was king does not say anything about that he was saved. His life, (as I have mentioned) does not show his supposed salvation at all.
oof this is getting hard to keep up with. I LOVE reading it and I've so much to say! Hopefully tonight but we'll see. I know ya'll DYING to hear what I've got to say! 😂
But not a bad thing. Lots of stuff to be said.
And, yes, those were really long comments.
Maybe God let the king of Babylon conquer all those places for judgment. Israel was in captivity for years, not because their captors were righteous people (actually quite the opposite), but because Israel was disobedient. God still uses the unsaved in His plan for us.
The NOT in my last comment was supposed to be DOES.
like I said, i can’t see into his heart but his whole life does not show in the least that he was saved...he even consulted wizards instead of going to god for help. And we see very often in the Bible that god does NOT only use saved people to perform great things. Take the king of Babylon for instance...as far as we know he was not saved at the beginning, but god let him conquer Israel, Egypt, Syria, and many other countries. Now LATER on in his life, it also looks as if he MIGHT have put his trust in god. So u have to be very careful there if u say ‘This guy was definitely saved, and now he lost his salvation’
reds fan ur right about the Holy Ghost there...I didn’t think about that, but that still doesn’t prove that u can lose ur salvation.
Ok, going backwards and starting with point three. If Jesus says "I will not blot the faithful out of the Book of Life", then there must be some that He does NOT blot out. Now Saul. When I said "kinda" and "to an extent", I said it because I was not there thousands of years ago, nor was I Saul to know exactly what happened. I only know what the Bible says and I go off of that. I completely agree that there is no in between. We know that Saul was born again because God chose him to be king of Israel. Now, granted, He did put up some evil kings as punishment to Israel, but that isn't the point. Now, you were talking about the Holy Ghost, but God hasn't sent Him yet. The Holy Ghost doesn't come into play until the New Testament. Just trying to answer the answers, if you will.
WOWSERS!! this is amazing John! I read it all, but I'm definitely gonna hafta think about it before I respond. hopefully I will have come up with something by tomorrow! (lol. no I'm already thinking of some things to say but I'll wait til morning 😏)
I know I wrote A LOT!! more probably than Chloe’s lols...I would be so happy though if Blondie and reds fan would take the time to read it since those topics are important! 👏
3️⃣Point#3: read revelations 3:5 very carefully again and then thing about this: Jesus says here about those that overcome, that their name is written down in the book of life, and that he will not take their name out of the book. What the people who say that u can lose ur salvation do, is just tricky. They make a deduction here that the text just does not permit. God guarantees here that the ones who overcome will stay in the book of life. He does not say anything about that there are others in the book than those who overcome, and he says nothing about that he will take someone else out of the book of life.
Now to Colossians 1:23: this is one of those passages that I meant when I said that you have to watch out for if it’s prescribing or describing. To understand this, we have to take the verse before into the scene (v.22). So the context is about the Christians wo appear to god a holy*. The text basically says “You are holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight, If you continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away...” u could read this a prescriptive: “take care that you continue in the faith, so that you will be holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight!” Or, Paul is just saying: “If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved... you will be holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight!” So in other words, if you are a true Christian, you will be holy in his sight! To know if a passage is only describing or also prescribing, u need to use the whole scripture. And there r just way to clean verses that say that Jesus saves all his sheep. He is the good shepherd. Nobody can rob him of his sheep... not even the sheep themselves! If they go astray, he carries them back home (the true Christians).
2️⃣Point#2: First of all, we need to ask us: who is saved, or how is a person saved. I believe that (as in Ephesians 2:8) we are saved by grace through FAITH alone. That means Jesus has performed everything on the cross for us. He has paid for all our sin, and all we have to do is trust, have faith, that he has left nothing for us to pay off. That we are made holy in his sight* if we trust that Jesus took all our sin away on the cross. Of course we still sin, but Jesus has even paid for our future sins already! (That does NOT mean, that we can now just sin as much as we like so as to make his gift for us greater and greater...read romans 6 about that). My point is (as I have said in another comment) because Jesus died on the cross for us and is our only way to god, and he has done everything, it is very humbling because god takes all our self-determination out of our hand! That does not suit our pride! But at the same time this truth makes us happy, for just because everything hangs on him our salvation is safe! We have done nothing for our salvation. It was Jesus who paid our sin. so if we say that we can loose that salvation it means that Jesus would have failed, that he lost control. Because everything depends on him!
Ok Blondie now’s your turn😀...1️⃣Point#1: you are absolutely right about the verse speaking of antichrists. The question here is: what is an Antichrist? First of all the word ‘Antichrist’ is made up of two words: the word ‘anti’ and the word ‘christ’. ‘Anti’ means as much as against, so Antichrist means ‘Against Christ’. A person who knows everything about god and what he did for us, and then decides consciously to forsake him, and maybe even counts his works as the work of demonic strengths (as the Pharisees did in Mark 2) is against Christ...an Antichrist!
So we have to have a clear passage that says that the person (Saul in this case) was truly born again and now has lost his salvation. If not, we can not let the absolutely clear passages, that show clearly, that we can not fall out of the hand of god, be contradicted and argued about. Those passages can not be understood wrongly (John 6 etc.) In any case, the rule is as always: The clear passages lay out the unclear ones. It is true that god stoped talking to him, but that does not say anything about his salvation. I personally don’t think that he is saved. But I can not judge about other people where they will spend eternity. His life just definitely does NOT show that he was saved. And also the passage only says that god stoped speaking to Saul in person. That does not mean that, if he was saved, the Holy Ghost stoped having an effect on his life. And if he was not saved, there is always the possibility that he repented later on in his life and the Bible just doesn’t tell about it. But as i said, his life (from what we know) does just absolutely not show that he was saved.
Ok I will first try to talk about Saul and the point u made there reds fan...first of all, u don’t really seem to have a good example for somebody who lost his salvation. U urself said “that is KINDA loosing ur salvation TO AN EXTENT”. First I want to make one thing clear: either your salvation is safe, or you can loose it. There is no ‘to an extent’ bc god has saved u 100%. Either u go to heaven or to hell...there is no ‘in between’.
yup understanding isn’t the same as knowledge
yeah I agree this is awesome! it's ok to disagree as long u r doing it for the sake of knowing the truth and not just winning an argument (Prov 18:2)
I didn’t reds fan...I just thought I did
By the way, I couldn't find where you talked about Saul.
I didn't mean I didn't want to discuss it anymore, I just didn't want it to seem like we were arguing and trying to be better than the other. Thanks for the compliment and you guys seem to be really smart too. I've enjoyed talking about it and it has made me think about it more myself (which is good, by the way).
oh ok cool! and thanks, glad to know we all love the Bible!!
I’ll answer ur questions later on tonight...I think I already said something about Saul in jesusaves though
Blondie u aren’t dumb either...what I respect most about u is that u seam to read the Bible a lot!! and of course my posts bc they get so long sometimes 😉
also Joh I must say my respect for you has increased a lot! I knew you were smart but now... u ain't no Blondie that's for sure
oh yeah I read it!! that WAS a good point. I'd like to see how John responds to that. although the I also saw u mentioned u don't want to debate it anymore? I mean that's totally fine but you made some really good points 😟😂
I believe it was JesusSaves when I mentioned Saul.
thanks I wish I could take the credit 😊. I would like to know what u brought up about Saul. which group was that in reds fan?
I think your last point, Blondie, was the best one.
ok John I'm going to try to answer ur points now. on your (for this discussion I'm gonna try to say "you" instead of "u" lol) first point, if you read the verse before 19 (1 John 2:18) you will see that he was talking about antichrists. but I agree that there are MANY people who will SAY they're Christians and never actually were. but there are also people who say there Christians and truly were, and then they truly strayed away (Colossians 1:23, 2 Timothy 2:17-18). I know that with these you could just say "well they were never saved in the first place" but if you look at the way these verses are worded, they seem to be assuming that you can actually have true faith, and then not. now yes there ARE people who, like in John 10 I believe is the one you brought up, who will NEVER stray. but that doesn't mean there aren't sheep who DO stray (John 10:12). and also Revelation 3:5 talks about names being blotted out from the book of life. how can they be blotted out if they were not there in the first place?
Hello. I would just like your thoughts on the issue that I bought up about Saul.
hmmmm VERY good points John. I'll get back to u tom sometime. lemme just say quick that I think 1 John 2:19 was talking about antichrists??? but idk. I'll have a more "elaborate " answer tomorrow. to be continued.......
Because Jesus died on the cross for us and is our only way to god, and we give thanks to him for everything, it is very humbling because god takes all our self-determination out of our hand! That does not suit our pride! But at the same time this truth makes us happy, for just because everything hangs on him our salvation is safe! We have done nothing for our salvation. It was Jesus who paid our sin. so if we say that we can loose that salvation it means that Jesus would have failed, that he lost control. Because everything hangs on him!
And about the supposed loss of salvation: When u read the Bible, u always have to watch out for if a passage is describing or prescribing. One example: “whoever holds out to the end will be saved”. U could read this prescribing “take care that u hold out to the end so that u will be saved!” Or, Jesus is just saying “if you see someone that holds out to the end, u know that he is saved”. Then it is not about what u should do and not do, he just says “it is so, whoever holds out will be saved”. To know if a passage is only describing or also prescribing, u need to take the whole scripture. And there r just way to clean verses that say that Jesus saves all his sheep. He is the good shepherd. Nobody can rob him of his sheep... not even the sheep themselves! If they go astray, he carries them back home (the true Christians).
Ok Blondie. so u say it is possible for satan to like ‘buy us back’ from Jesus who gave his life for us on the cross (loose salvation) If u read 1st John 2:19 u will see that there r Christians who “slid back” and went “from us”. If u read on though, u will see that these ‘Christians’ were not true Christians but were ones who believed themselves to be saved, but haven’t trusted Jesus as their savior (by the way Blondie, it’s not enough to acknowledge that Jesus died on the cross for u, u have to trust him to save u from sin. The Bible says even the demons believe, and are afraid. We are saved by grace THROUGH faith) 1st John 2:19 is also an explanation for Hebrews 6 where the writer is talking about those who have tasted of the fruits and crucify again to themselves the son of god. We are speaking here of people who ‘went from us’. So people who have have not been saved, but counted themselves as saved. “They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.” So if they ‘stop being a Christian’ it means they never truly were a Christian
k thanks. u don't have to
ok I posted all this stuff on JesuSaves after all, but I’m gonna put it here to
well I’m going to heaven you guys?
we're talking about eternal security 😱😂
And just to get u ready...read 1st John 2:19
Hey Blondie! I don’t have time right now, but I’ll start posting during the night or tmrw