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like my family without me lol.
Larissa
Tuesday, Jun 18, 2024 at 10:34 PM
nope, they are still kids. my oldest is going into 7th grade next year.
Larissa
Wednesday, Jun 12, 2024 at 8:50 PM
Hey JJ, yes I have 4 kids.
Larissa, do you have any kids? jw
lol Welcome, Bible Learner!
Happy Sabbath! To anyone who is SDA on here! No personal barbed comments! Just saying Happy Sabbath no barbed comment who believe what I do!
Larissa
Sunday, Jun 2, 2024 at 12:12 PM
Addison, go into this groupโs verses to memorize page, click on verses that prove SDAs are false and click on The State of the Dead.
hmmm yes that is partly true
But I know there have been many stories of people who have had near death experiences and went to heaven right away ๐คทโโ๏ธ
Iโd say thatโs not true because thatโs what I believe but I donโt have any scripture to back me up so Iโll probably do some research later
Larissa
Friday, May 31, 2024 at 4:38 PM
Or some believe that God takes back the breath that made you and its breath plus body equals soul.
Larissa
Friday, May 31, 2024 at 2:18 PM
We could talk about the state of the dead. SDAs believe that when you die, you fall asleep and stay in your body until Christ comes and wakes you up.
Berean
Monday, May 27, 2024 at 4:50 PM
so what shall we talk about now?
Noah
Tuesday, May 21, 2024 at 9:00 PM
Ok, I got it.
Noah
Tuesday, May 21, 2024 at 12:55 PM
Joined
Berean
Monday, May 20, 2024 at 1:48 PM
good
I understand what you mean
Larissa
Sunday, May 19, 2024 at 12:59 AM
No, I agree with you Berean.
Berean
Saturday, May 18, 2024 at 8:25 PM
anyone disagree?
Berean
Saturday, May 18, 2024 at 8:25 PM
right?
Berean
Saturday, May 18, 2024 at 7:07 PM
but the act of doing it when you believe it to be wrong is wrong. but pig and alligator and octopus and things they werenโt supposed to eat arenโt bad
Berean
Saturday, May 18, 2024 at 7:06 PM
yeah
Yes, but there are no foods that are wrong to eat.
Berean
Saturday, May 18, 2024 at 5:28 PM
does that make sense?
Berean
Saturday, May 18, 2024 at 5:27 PM
eating the food itself isnโt wrong, but eating it and thinking/knowing itโs a sin is wrong
Berean
Saturday, May 18, 2024 at 5:27 PM
if you believe itโs a sin and someone who doesnโt believe it is for instance, and they tell you itโs alright, and you eat it while thinking it is, thatโs a sort of sin I think
Berean
Saturday, May 18, 2024 at 5:26 PM
Btw, it can be wrong to eat some foods
Berean
Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 11:45 PM
See, I said Iโd check the descriptions! ๐
Berean
Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 11:32 PM
The description is a good move though. I donโt see what could offend anyone opposing your view in there necessarily.
Berean
Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 11:31 PM
Iโm not going to say just now whether I think SDAโs are wrong or not. But I, along with a lot of others as I see in the messages, would like the name to be changed. Going around and saying their beliefs are wrong isnโt going to encourage them to listen and possibly come to see it your way, but rather the reverse.
Larissa
Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 8:51 PM
When the Holy Spirit indwells us, he helps us not want to sin and not sin anymore. We become more and more like Jesus everyday. We will never succeed in this lifetime, we will still always sin in this life.
Larissa
Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 8:48 PM
Before I go on, I just want to underscore that Jesus and the gospel is the most important thing here. The gospel is this: Jesus, the only son of God, came down to earth as a baby, he lived a perfect life that WE CANNOT live. He was crucified for our sins just like the spotless lambs of the Old Testament. Except that this time the sacrifice is once for all time and all sins. Our sins under Jesus are utterly cancelled. He was raised to life again and was seen alive by more than 500 people. The he went back to heaven where he sits in the Most Holy Place. When we believe that Jesus came to die for our sins and accept that he sacrificed himself for us, we are hidden in Christ. When God the Father looks at us, he sees Jesus. Not part way, all the way. So in a sense it doesnโt matter what we do any more, we are hidden in Christ. Does that mean we should sin all the more so that grace abounds? No way! the Holy Spirit seals us and lives in us. The fruit of the spirit is love, joy, peace, self-control, etc and against such things there is no law.
Larissa
Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 8:41 PM
I agree with Addison, she (and I) will not be worse christians by eating unclean foods or going to church on Sunday. As far as once saved always saved goes, I just talked about that. Scroll down to see the verses I listed.
Addison he was talking about gentiles
Larissa
Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 7:52 PM
Check out these verses as well. โOne personโs faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them. Who are you to judge someone elseโs servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.โ โญโญRomansโฌ โญ14โฌ:โญ2โฌ-โญ4โฌ โญ
Larissa
Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 7:51 PM
Also this verse, โFor it doesnโt go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.โ (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)โ โญโญMarkโฌ โญ7โฌ:โญ19โฌ โญ
Larissa
Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 7:49 PM
as far as unclean meats go, check out this passage of scripture, โThe Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.โ โญโญ1 Timothyโฌ โญ4โฌ:โญ1โฌ-โญ5โฌ โญ
Larissa
Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 7:48 PM
This verse is talking about the second return of Jesus. We believe that our souls are separate from the body and that we will be in heaven as our souls until Jesus returns. at that point, we will come back with Jesus and be reunited with our glorified bodies.
Larissa
Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 7:46 PM
Hi Emma, welcome back. So about 1 Thessalonians 4. read a little earlier in that chapter specifically verse 14. It says, โFor we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him.โ โญโญ
it's great to see some deep theological convos on this group
Iโm not gonna go to hell or not be a Christian if I eat pork or go to church on Sunday
And about the Sabbath, we should be keeping every day holy, not getting caught up in days of the week.
Emma, there is no such thing as clean or unclean animals anymore. In Acts 10:9-15, it talks about how Peter had a vision of unclean animals and God told him to kill them and eat them. Peter told him no and that he had never eaten anything common or unclean. And God told him not to call common what he has made clean.
and tell me where in the Bible it says once saved always saved
another where in the Bible does it say the sabbath changed,tell me. and where in the Bible does it say the dead go to straight to heaven when they die? tell me .
the Bible also says for dust we are and to dust we return,thatโs when we die! and another reason we canโt eat unclean meat is in levitacis ,god was not just being mean and saying you canโt eat this because I donโt want you to eat good meat itโs for our safety and protection,pigs are disgusting animals! they wallow in mud and eat garbage! is that rlly what you want to eat? thay also Cary a number of diseases that can make people sick,God strictly forbade any eating of whatโs listed in Leviticus 11 read the whole chapter!
okay you believ you go to heaven as soon as you die ?right? well 1 Thessalonians 4:17-18-19
welll I guess I am back once and I guess whatever I will do my best to prove!
Larissa
Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 9:46 PM
Notice the tense of this: we HAVE eternal life. Right now! Not when we die, not when Jesus comes back, now. When we believe in him and trust him for our salvation we are sealed with the Holy Spirit and have eternal life from that point on. What an extremely blessed hope we have!
Larissa
Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 9:44 PM
โI have written this to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know you have eternal life.โ โญโญ1 Johnโฌ โญ5โฌ:โญ13โฌ โญ
Larissa
Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 9:42 PM
Here Jesus says that we cannot be taken from him. We are in his hand and God the Fathers hand!
Larissa
Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 9:41 PM
โMy sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them away from me, for my Father has given them to me, and he is more powerful than anyone else. No one can snatch them from the Fatherโs hand.โ โญโญJohnโฌ โญ10โฌ:โญ27โฌ-โญ29โฌ โญ
Larissa
Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 9:40 PM
It is Godโs will that Jesus shouldnโt lose any of us once we come to him. Does Jesus do Godโs will? Yes!!
Larissa
Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 9:40 PM
โAnd this is the will of God, that I should not lose even one of all those he has given me, but that I should raise them up at the last day.โ โญโญJohnโฌ โญ6โฌ:โญ39โฌ โญ
Larissa
Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 9:38 PM
Notice here Jesus claims that those who believe will never be condemned for their sins! What mercy!
Larissa
Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 9:37 PM
โโI tell you the truth, those who listen to my message and believe in God who sent me have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their sins, but they have already passed from death into life.โ โญโญJohnโฌ โญ5โฌ:โญ24โฌ
Larissa
Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 9:37 PM
Thank you Addison for sharing more about what you meant. I can understand what you are talking about because I used to believe the same way. However, these verses were brought to my attention and Iโve had to change my mind.
Revelation 3:5-6 says, โโI know your works: you are neither cold nor hot. Would that you were that either cold or hot! So, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth.โ Once saved always saved means that once you are saved, you can never be lost again. So you can sin all you want and because youโre saved, you can still get into heaven. Thatโs what the scripture means when it says youโre lukewarm. You can claim youโre a Christian and that youโre saved, but you donโt truly know God and have a relationship with Him. You canโt live for the world and for God at the same time. There have also been many Christians who were saved, but didnโt stay saved because they backslid and started living for the world instead, including King Solomon. It is definitely possible to be saved and be lost again.
Larissa
Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 3:59 PM
Hi Addison, welcome. Do you have any scripture references to back up what you are claiming about once saved always saved? Thanks!
I apologize for any typos ๐
It doesnโt mean sin and turn back to God, it means sin and youโre still saved I even if you donโt repent.
I was reading some of the chat and there was a conversation about once saved always saved. I donโt think yโall understand what that means.Once saved always saved means that once youโre saved, youโll always be saved no matter what you do. Once saved always saved is not true! We donโt live in a perfect world, and we will sin, but we still need to repent and turn back to God. Once saved always saved is a lie from the devil that we can sin and do whatever we want and still get into heaven. I just wanted to make that clear๐
KL, I'm not trying to offend anyone but even if I do it doesn't mean I should stop telling the truth.
JJ, I really think you should change the name of your group. I'm not going to try to convince you whether we are right or wrong. I know what I believe, and that's up to you to decide. If you think SDA is not the Right religion that's what you want to believe. I'm just going to say that calling it "SDAs are Wrong" isn't getting the message across. This isn't teaching or challenging a belief system. It's bullying a people group. If there was something wrong with the Catholic belief system I wouldn't go outright and say "Catholics are wrong " because that's attacking a person, not a religion. The belief is wrong, not the people so "Catholic religion is a false religion" (No offense, this is an example.) It's the same with other religions. Just say "_______ is not the true faith" It's the belief that is wrong, not the people. So if you believe that the SDA faith is wrong, at least just say that. I believe it is right, but I can't change your beliefs.
Larissa
Thursday, Mar 14, 2024 at 1:11 PM
Paul and the early Christians did not keep the Sabbath. Maybe you are referring to Paulโs habit of visiting the synagogues in Sabbath (thatโs not actually keeping the Sabbath) for the purpose of speaking to the Jews. He at first was a minister to the Jews until they utterly rejected him, then he stopped visiting the synagogues. You see in Acts 15 the Jerusalem Counc where Peter and Paul were talking about what rules the new Christianโs should follow. They decided, โโYou must abstain from eating food offered to idols, from consuming blood or the meat of strangled animals, and from sexual immorality. If you do this, you will do well. Farewell.โโ โญโญActs of the Apostlesโฌ โญ15โฌ:โญ29โฌ
Larissa
Thursday, Mar 14, 2024 at 1:05 PM
I donโt think Paul is saying that in Colossians. He specifically says, โโฆfor NOT celebratingโฆSabbathsโ. Paul talks about the different covenants in Galatians. Iโd take a look at that book if I were you.
Larissa
Thursday, Mar 14, 2024 at 1:02 PM
I am saying that Jesus fulfilled the law, all 613 rules of it, on the cross. His death was the end of the Old Covenant. He fulfilled that for us. We as believers in Christ are under a different covenant, the new covenant. Hebrews 8:13 says, โWhen God speaks of a โnewโ covenant, it means he has made the first one obsolete. It is now out of date and will soon disappear.โ โญโญ
The Bible says that Heaven will be like Edom but with a price that Jesus paid. If so wouldnโt there be a day set apart if there was in Edom. If so wouldnโt that day be the Seventh day. .
So do you think Paul by saying condemn you on Sabbaths is saying do not let people correct you when you keep your Sabbaths or what day when God says the Sabbath is the day of Lord. Why would God hallow bless and sactify a day that his son would abolish. That doesnโt sound like God..
Then if you believe that Sabbath is not Sunday are you not kinda going against the law. Or are you saying Jesus paid it on the cross? If you are then why did Paul and everyone else after Christ death keep the Sabbath.
Larissa
Wednesday, Mar 13, 2024 at 9:58 PM
oh I would never say that Sabbath is Sunday. Sabbath was on the 7th day, our Saturday. My argument is that Sabbath was fulfilled in Christ. Colossians 2:16-17 says, โSo donโt let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy days or new moon ceremonies or Sabbaths. For these rules are only shadows of the reality yet to come. And Christ himself is that reality.โ โญโญ
In Mathew 28:8. It talks about the end of the Sabbath before the 1st day of the week Of there is 7 days in a week what day would the Sabbath be if you use our calamder?
Larissa
Monday, Mar 11, 2024 at 3:40 PM
Emma, I understand that you think you proved something to us. But you really just told us what you believed with no sources to back you up. We have told you from the Bible what we believe. No one is trying to make you say anything, we are just discussing ideas.
guys ,no โฆ.I am done โฆI have proved many times before ,so have my friends ,you just wonโt listen ,all you want is to trick me into saying something that will go against my beliefsโฆI am done I donโt need to prove myself anymore more .I am done ,we have told you hundreds of times
btw hi guys long time no see lol
yes because once saved always saved is wrong !