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Something interesting.. "Why do beavers rest EVERY sabbath day?" video on YouTube. A strange silence is always observed by them on Saturdays. A hush falls over all their activities at sundown every Friday evening without fail. And this is regarding every beaver around the world, regardless of the season. On Sunday mornings, they begin their work again. https://youtu.be/uZ-Sz7fLyf0?si=NeLvyc8eRwzBo8W9
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All righty then. Well, I believe in the KJV because I believe God is good enough to mankind to give us one book, understandable by common man. I believe in His love, goodness, holiness, purity, omniscience. I’m allowing God to do a work in me as I read His Word. I want His blessings on me- I don’t want to be one Who fears God but serves idols. I want to serve Him, love Him because He first loved me.
Thank you for pointing that out Andrew. That’s a huge difference. My question is- In the context around it, why does the KJV include “Not”?
Why I used KJV: Is 9: 3. KJV says "not increased the joy"; NIV & TNIV says, "increase their joy"; NKJV & ESV says " increased its joy"; NASB says " increased its gladness". Well, you may say they just deleted "not"????!!! This is from In Awe of Thy Word by GA Riplinger. This is just an example of how versions differ. Absolute not true that these versions just differ in how they say it but in fact says the opposite. The verses quoted in the book are verifiable by anyone and not just "hearsay".
Good job Haven. I think if enough people were praying across the country, and the globe, there would be a significant movement of the Holy Spirit to facilitate revival. Jam. 5:16
praying for churches all across North America today- praying that the Holy Spirit would have free access to work in the hearts of people. Praying for repentance- from the leadership down to the people. Praying for humility, honest with God and themselves. Myself. if my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
I think Gods allowing the craziness in order to draw people to Himself. and celebrities are as flesh and blood as anyone else. Hopefully they can use their fame to help bring others to Christ
What do you guys think about the recent uptick in celebrities getting born again? I hope it inspires more of them to think about eternity. It seems like the Lord is moving in people’s hearts through all these crazy world events.
Welcome to Anonymous! Discussion seems to have fizzled out over here. I love God’s Word and love speaking to others about it. But how to begin a rousing discussion- ?
Hello! I’m excited about joining this group. I’m KJV Preferred, as it’s what I grew up with, what I have always memorized from, and what I truly believe is the preserved Word of God.
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Psalms 91: 9-10 [KJV] Because thou hast made the LORD, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation; There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.
Absolutely. Very good points. I feel like the key ingredients for learning the Bible, even the question of which Bible to use, comes down to a humble heart and a believing mind. God will use that. I need to get back to praying for insight before I read…
The Bible is an amazing book. I was blessed to be able to grow up in a home where we read the Bible together as a family several times a week. KJV. It helped me learn to read, and as a 6 year old I could understand enough to ask questions. Knowledge grew. Line upon line, precept upon precept. The “thees” and “thous” were not a problem. And having read the same book for so many years, it’s still rich and God speaks to me from it when I have need. It’s simple enough for a child to understand, rich enough for people to study for years. And if we just take it for what it says instead of trying to say “A better translation is”… my opinion… we can learn the truth about what God has for us, the truth that builds homes, churches, societies, countries. If only we would get back to it as a people, if only we would do as 2 Chronicles 7:14 says - humble ourselves and pray, seek God’s face, and turn from our wicked ways, which we will discover by reading God’s holy Word, God would still, once again, heal our land. Our families, societies, country.
This is not to say that God doesn’t or can’t use other versions. Of course He does. He’s a God of mercy. And truth is truth no matter who says it. But things that are different are not the same. When someone quotes me, I would like to be quoted correctly. And if God can create this whole big, amazing universe, why can’t he preserve His Word accurately?
Cool, Haven! I don’t want to be contentious, or argumentative, just want folks to know that you don’t need a huge Greek/Hebrew education ($$$) to understand and have God’s perfect word. When I came to this realization, I was floored. In a good way. It was a lot of joy mixed with relief. The more digging you do, the better it gets and the more it all comes together. Unless you’re “digging in the wrong place.” (Raiders of the Lost Ark -circa 1989)
I agree with you, Anonymous. I believe that a God who says He is loving is going to be honest and trustworthy. If He’s fickle, neglectful of humanity to the point of letting His Word go so that mere humanity has to try to figure out what God meant, that is not something a loving parent would do, it’s unkind, irresponsible, puts us in a position to doubt Him and His Word, and leads to a whole lot of unnecessary squabbling between the siblings. That doesn’t sound like the God of the Bible, and the God I serve is big enough and loving enough to give us a book we can trust. The enemy, on the other hand, has been saying “Yea, hath God said…” from the very beginning. Why do we as Christians continue to play into his hands on this? I love having a Bible I can trust, and where I can look at each individual word, know that it’s supposed to be in there, and then study the words, phrases, sentences, as God wanted them written, and glean the riches that God has for me in there without having to try to find or insert my opinions into it. I’m not God. I’m not smart enough to be God. No one else is either.
oh man is this a kjv only group???
While I agree that languages are different and impossible to transliterate perfectly from one language to another with perfect efficacy, don’t we have the God of the impossible? Didn’t He invent language? Do you think she speaks them all? Of course. But He is always left out of the equation with people who think there are multiple versions of God’s perfect word. Psalm 12:6-7 says He will PRESERVE His words from this generation forever. If that is true, where is His preserved, perfect word? He said He’d preserve it, where is it? It can’t be all of them, or even two at the same time! There’s too many differences between them. Ironically, the verses (Psalm 12:6-7) used to prove God didn’t “lose” His perfect word, are changed in the new versions. Another question: Why would a loving God let His perfect word (by perfect I mean without error) die out with the very people who wrote it, and thus needed it the least? So if there is a perfect Bible out there, which one is it? I think we all know the answer… or at least we should.
Okay, now there has been time enough for discussion so I'll go ahead with Zachiah's second proof. I think that this one is the easiest to refute because I totally agree with the statements, I just don't think they support the conclusion. Certainly radically different versions cannot be correct. God cannot lie, and he doesn't contradict himself. But that doesn't mean that there is only one version that is accurate. In school, I am learning Latin and when I translate things into English I realize that each Latin word can have many different senses in English. The grammar, too, means the sentences can be laid out in different orders and forms. Then, if you take into account the in terms of ancient words, and the changing of English over the time in which the different versions are translated, it's clear there is room for many translations.
We can talk about that before moving on to your second proof. Thank you to anyone who takes the time to read all this!
Yes, God is powerful enough to do anything, but that doesn't mean that he did it. All Scripture is God breathed, and men spoke from God when they wrote the Bible. We know that because it tells us so. But the Bible doesn't say that men translated from God. On the other hand, we do know that some versions were created in a trustworthy manner and that some translators were dedicated Christians with the Holy Spirit in them. While that doesn't mean that they won't make any mistakes, it gives us a good reason to trust them. The fact that the translations are always open to peer review and debate from educated scholars makes them even more trustworthy.
I am going to now argue that God can preserve his word without there being a perfect translation now. I won't even go into the imperfections of the KJV, though there are many. God has preserved his holy word in manuscripts. That does not mean there is a perfect translation in English. In fact, it is obvious that at some point there was not an accurate translation in this language, for example, before the language existed. But we don't have to rely on blind faith when we read the Bible in English. Versions can be and are vetted, compared, and if necessary, rejected. There are many resources for studying the original and seeing the many reasonable translations.
Zambian Sawyer, I would like to discuss your proofs, one at a time. First, the first proof. I think you are arguing that since God promised to preserve his word, there is now a perfect English translation. Another reason why you think that is because God is powerful enough to use imperfect men to create a perfect translation.
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Just to add a post on KJV. Before reading "God's word", the very first thing is to examine the matter thoroughly which is God's word. To summarize in a nutshell, all versions (many verses here and there) contradict each other. One saying, "is" another "is not". And some even taking different thing! I used to use NIV when I was still not aware of this problem. Then accidentally bumped on the bible version issue. Examined the issue thoroughly, and now use KJV exclusively, a version that I NEVER care to use before. Now settled, I do not ever go to this bible issue ever.
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#4 Loss of power (modern versions are weak!)
1 timothy 3:16
KJV
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
NIV
Beyond all question, the mystery from which true godliness springs is great: He appeared in the flesh, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory.
Notice that the NIV removes the word God. In my King James that is a super clear proof that Jesus is God, not in the NIV.
1 Corinthians 1:18
KJV
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
NIV
For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
NKJV
For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
I don't know about you, but I'm not being saved, I've done been saved. Salvation isn't a process.
#3 stupid things in modern translations (could fill books)
Luke 2:33
KJV
And Joseph and his mother marvelled at those things which were spoken of him.
NIV
The child’s father and mother marveled at what was said about him.
ESV
And his father and his mother marveled at what was said about him.
NASB (Revised Edition)
The child’s father and mother were amazed at what was said about him;
The Bible teaches the Joseph was not Jesus's father, yet all these modern versions say he was
#2 There is only one right translation
God only said one thing. So if there are hundreds of verses in hundreds of translations that all same radically different things, then only one is right.
If you don't believe that we have God's perfect word, then what in the world are you doing? how do you know anything in the Bible is true? by faith. How do I know the whole Bible is true? by faith.
Hebrews 11:1 (KJV) Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
If you do believe that there always has been a perfect word of God, then the modern versions can't be true as their manuscripts were dug up.
#1 God's word is preserved
Psalms 12:6-7 (KJV) The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
I don't know about you, but I believe that somewhere there is a perfect translation of God's word. If God is powerful enough to create the world with spoken words, and is powerful enough to use imperfect men to create a perfect word of God in the original manuscripts, then is not God powerful enough to preserve his word for us to this very day in English?
2 Peter 1:21 (KJV) For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
don't know about you, but I don't believe God would let his word get buried when he promised he would preserve it.
Hi this group was clearly made by a KJV onlyist, and as KJV onlyist is being rolled in the mud like it isn't even a valid viewpoint in these chats and because I am a firm believer that the KJV is God's only perfect word in English, let me present a few arguments.
And no, not everyone in here is KJV only.
Welcome JesuSaves I have the pro version, it's OK but over orived in my opinion. I got it to be able to learn more verses as I think the free version only allowed 50.
Does anyone here have the Pro version? if so is it worthwhile getting?
is everyone on this wall in the KJ only group?
No, I do not believe that
Is there anyone in this group who believes the KJV is the only Bible that anyone should use? In other words, that it is the only translation from God?
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I would like to learn more, @Bro. Joe. However, for privacy's sake, I am not willing to share my email address. Can I learn more on this message wall? For example, I would like to know what you mean by "hold true" to the KJV. We can recognize it as a good translation without condemning all others.
Hello Tiffany,
I am Joe and i am new to this group. i have never been apart of any groups in the past so it is all new to me as well... i just by chance decided to down this app out of curiosity.. I encourage you to hold true to the KJV, I know there were versions of the Bible before and after the KJV version.. but i still believe that The King James Version was the monumental work in common language known as the Authorized King James Version of 1611. This version is the work of forty seven scholars appointed by King James 1 of England and it has continued to hold first place in popularity throughout the English speaking world for over three hundred years. It is a masterpiece of fidelity to the original Greek and Hebrew texts and is considered a literary work without equal or parallel in the English language.. if you would like to learn more i would be happy to email you more info on this subject, Thank you and may God bless... Greetings to all in this group in the name of out Lord Jesus Christ
Teresa, Good job explaining and backing up statements with reasons. It is very true that ANY translation is prone to some human error. That is why it is important to be open to multiple translations. God preserves his word. 📖
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And the KJV was just what man THINKS the Bible says... That's with ANY translation no matter how old it is. The words have changed in the new translations because the English language has changed. The newer translations have been translated from older manuscripts so I find them way more reliable. And there are always footnotes with any translation that might be debatable on why they made that decision. I find that it's best to compare multiple translations. And get an interlinear. It has the greek/Hebrew text with the literal English of the word underneath it. That's the closest you can get to the originals without knowing Hebrew and Greek. If you like the KJV, that's fine. But don't tell everyone that other translations are tools of Satan without having significant evidence that they are.
So what it says in Revelation about adding to or taking away has not been violated by the New translations. someone added short things to the manuscripts in Hebrew and Greek. Normally these things that were added were probably scribal notes on the margins that accidentally added into the text by a scribal error.
And also about taking away and adding to the scriptures... I assume you are referring to places that the KJV has a few extra words in it or an extra verse, but ESV, NASB, CSB, NIV, etc, dont. There is a reason for that. Since the KJV was translated we have found more manuscripts in the original Hebrew and Greek that are way way older, so closer to the original, than the ones the KJV was translated from. So when we found the better manuscripts we noticed that a few small parts were not in it. And we found that in a lot of older manuscripts. So what happened with those parts is that they were not original, so the newer translations took them out and put them in the footnote with a note that says just that, they were not in early manuscripts.
Actually you know Tiffany that there were English translations before the KJV. John Wycliffe translated the Bible before the KJV. So by your logic, that Bible should be the correct one.
@Tiffany: I agree that any translation of the Bible with any part that is added or changed is not a good translation. But does the age of the KJV Bible ensure that it is more accurate? In other words, is it possible that there is a more recent translation that is more accurate?
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Kylo ... I’m new to this app and not sure if I’m using it right, not sure if it’s ok to respond to old posts.... but anyway, I seen your question about the KJV... here’s what told me the KJV is the 1 and only. 1st off we can not get the 1st original bible and if we could we wouldn’t be able to understand it. The original English bible, the Bible the US was built on, the oldest English bible we have access to, is the KJV. The 3rd to last verse in the Bible says “And if any man take away from the words of the book of this prophecy God shall take away his part out of the book of life and out of the holy city and from the things which are written in this book” The Bible’s written AFTER the KJV, are all just translations of what man THINKS the Bible says. There are words taken out, words added, words changed to mean a total different thing than what it originally meant in the KJV. I would love a bible older than the KJ. however I can’t get one. Therefore God knows my heart, he knows I want the truth and he shows me the truth. Reading newer bibles, revised versions, they just aren’t right. They are a trick of satan.. Hope this was helpful and I hope you see this..
Umm... Administrator, why do all the verse references seem to say that they are way more verses than they actually are? Benaiah, you seem to have memorized lots of these without fixing them. Can anyone explain the reason?
You are welcome! It is amazing how many people think that the KJV is the original.
Thanks for clearing that up.
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Well, the exact parchments that the first scribes and prophets wrote on, which were not in English, are not around today. But we have very old, meticulous copies, like the dead sea scrolls, also not in English. The originals were not in English. All English versions are translations from Hebrew or Aramaic. The KJV was commissioned by a King named James, and was one of the first common English translations. That's why it sounds so old.
Hi Joanna, what do you mean? There are no originals left?
Did you know that all English versions of the Bible, including the KJV, we're translated by people from the originals?
No-one she advertise their group on others groups. There is a thing called inviting people if you want them to come...!
Uh, yeah. Agreed @Sethers.
Hey Marilyn! did you know that you are not allowed to advertise your group on other groups? you were getting people in trouble for that and yet you are doing it?
There are other translations easier to understand than just the KJV. Prove to me that this translation is the only true one.
Psalm 38:7 For my loins are filled with a loathsome disease: and there is no soundness in my flesh.
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I am memorizing the whole new testament and I memorize a chapter at a time, so I have a binder with the text printed out with no verse numbers and I read it out loud about 10 times in a row a day, and then I come on this app to learn the individual verses and get them word perfect. Sadly my account had problems a few months ago so I had to create a new one and lost my verses, but I'm trying to relearn the 4 books I know.
I've fallen into the trap of only being able to remember them if I am typing them out lol. I need to practise reciting them out loud to. Anyone else have the same problem?
Just don't get so used to reviewing your verses that you forget the meaning behind them. I've done that.
I really like this app! I been trying to memorize verses from the Bible and I just couldn’t do it, until I found this app.
Well said. I like the anology of the ladder. I might use that one day lol
Yeah, me too, it's my hearts desire to understand Jesus and His Word. No, you didn't seem at all prideful.
Thank you, I love to learn more and more of the bible i still feel as though I have so much more to learn as we all do. I definitely don't think you are prideful, the fact you are willing to learn and hear my points is proof of that. I hope that I don't come off as arrogant or prideful too.
You seem to know the Bible a lot more than me. I very much respect the time you've put in to learn this stuff. I've definitely taken your differences viewpoints into account, and I hope that I'm not blinded by my pride.
Haha. Yes, I quite often have that with a friend also
lol, this majorly reminds me of one of my discussions with my little bro. We so often get into a debates that can last hours, to only find out we were basically saying the same thing from the start. 😂
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